I think i need some advice

[QuikSsurfer]

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[joesomebody]

Originally Posted by dtebbe

Get this joe.. you know the little town where I grew up right?

Well at one time...

My mom & step dad owned the liquor store

One of my best friends parents owned the grocery store

another of my best friends parents managed the casey's store

another of my best friends uncle had a whole basement full of pot plants....

Think we were part of the "party" crowd

Wouldn't do that part any different either!

DT

I'm sure I partied with with relatives of those people in about the same manner you are speaking. Hell I probably have partied with some of those people you are referring...

I'm no angel and never will be, just don't want him to dig himself into a deeper hole. Relapses aren't all that uncommon on that first trip home after basic...

[dtebbe]

Originally Posted by joesomebody

I'm sure I partied with with relatives of those people in about the same manner you are speaking. Hell I probably have partied with some of those people you are referring...

I'm no angel and never will be, just don't want him to dig himself into a deeper hole. Relapses aren't all that uncommon on that first trip home after basic...

There was only one thing I was after when I got out of basic...

and it didn't come in a bottle or grow in the ground....


DT

[joesomebody]

Originally Posted by dtebbe

There was only one thing I was after when I got out of basic...

and it didn't come in a bottle or grow in the ground....


DT

You didn't get enough in A-school or whatever the hell the army calls it? There's so many 18-22 year old females at tech school its rediculous... most are single, first time away from home, and have just gone through a very long period of no sex... but yeah, that first leave is nice for that too :P

[chiefs4me]

Originally Posted by joesomebody

Absolutely. I never said I didn't want former druggies in the military, I just don't think it's a good idea for someone who has ignored everyone in this thread's advise about quitting drugs by saying they could never kick weed to join up.

I don't know how serious the military was about anti drug rules when you were in, but they truly are one strike and out now.

As an E1-E4 you can expect to be tested about once every 3 months now and it is random, really no way to beat it, no shit drug tested.

Even at E5 and up you are randomly tested, just not as often.

If he can beat the habbit, I'm all for this as his best option.

(I by no means ever said I was drug free before joining.)

they were drug testing 20 some years agao when I was in, but you could beat it, I was the CO's Sec and knew when the tests were coming down and to whom... not trying to fight with you...just saying..

[joesomebody]

Originally Posted by chiefs4me

they were drug testing 20 some years agao when I was in, but you could beat it, I was the CO's Sec and knew when the tests were coming down and to whom... not trying to fight with you...just saying..

I'm sure it CAN be beat, but it'd be tough.

From the time you are notified you have no more than two hours to report. Once you report you cannot leave the testing facility until you finish the test.

For testing, you have to remove your BDU top, leaving you in a short sleeve t-shirt. You are issued a piss bottle, which you and the tester check to make sure is empty of any foreign substances and then you must hold the bottle over shoulder height while the tester follows you to the bathroom.

You have to piss into the bottle, standing at and angle, so the tester actually watches the piss leave you and enter the bottle.

Then you have to seal the bottle and walk back to the desk where you were issued the bottle, again holding the bottle above your shoulder height in full view of the tester.

I'm not saying it can't be beat, but it would be very tough to beat with any of the common methods that I've heard of. Most things you consume to beat a test take longer than 2 hours, and would probably show up with something funny, and theres no way to slip anything into the urine.

Not a risk anyone should take by any means

Join up, by all means, just quit the weed about a month before basic. I'm in the Air Force, other branches may have a completly different policy for testing, but I know all branches have a zero strike policy when it comes to drugs.

The way the thread poster has repeatedly said he can't or won't quit weed, I'm just not thinking the military is his best option.

[chiefs4me]

Originally Posted by joesomebody

I'm sure it CAN be beat, but it'd be tough.

From the time you are notified you have no more than two hours to report. Once you report you cannot leave the testing facility until you finish the test.

For testing, you have to remove your BDU top, leaving you in a short sleeve t-shirt. You are issued a piss bottle, which you and the tester check to make sure is empty of any foreign substances and then you must hold the bottle over shoulder height while the tester follows you to the bathroom.

You have to piss into the bottle, standing at and angle, so the tester actually watches the piss leave you and enter the bottle.

Then you have to seal the bottle and walk back to the desk where you were issued the bottle, again holding the bottle above your shoulder height in full view of the tester.

I'm not saying it can't be beat, but it would be very tough to beat with any of the common methods that I've heard of. Most things you consume to beat a test take longer than 2 hours, and would probably show up with something funny, and theres no way to slip anything into the urine.

Not a risk anyone should take by any means

Join up, by all means, just quit the weed about a month before basic. I'm in the Air Force, other branches may have a completly different policy for testing, but I know all branches have a zero strike policy when it comes to drugs.

The way the thread poster has repeatedly said he can't or won't quit weed, I'm just not thinking the military is his best option.

did you see the part where I said I wasn't fighting with you???

[joesomebody]

Originally Posted by chiefs4me

did you see the part where I said I wasn't fighting with you???

Damn, take away my fun then.

Just kidding, this whole thing started from my saying that its just not a good idea for him to join since he has no want or will to join, and has no want or will to quit smoking pot.

[huskerdooz]

Originally Posted by joesomebody

Damn, take away my fun then.

Just kidding, this whole thing started from my saying that its just not a good idea for him to join since he has no want or will to join, and has no want or will to quit smoking pot.

Not only that, but it is very apparent that he has no want or will to really change his situation. Either that or the desire to change isn't strong enough to override the desire to continue with his destructive lifestyle. Ultimately it is up to him to do what is necessary to change his situation.

IMO he came on here looking for an easy solution. One that includes being able to stay in Oxford where he can continue with the same destructive lifestyle that has contributed to his problems. The solution also must include a way to continue smoking pot 4-5 times a day. He also needs to either find a high enough paying job to continue blowing it on his pot yet still have enough to pay his bills and purchase some type of vehiclar transportation. Either that or find a job close enough so that he can walk or ride his bike to and from work. But the important thing is that he absolutely has to remain in contact with the same "friends" that he is close to because they "understand what he's been through and can help provide the destructive vices when his financial situation won't allow him to provide for himself.

Not a problem Surfer, it sounds like you've got it all figured out. Our work is done. Glad we could offer up such poor advice that you could disregard with a such a clear conscience. Or is that a smoke filled conscience? Your story will likely end under some bridge clothed in rags with newspapers lining your coat. Unless of course it ends in some head on crash in which you probably take some innocent child's life because you were so drugged out of your mind that you just couldn't tell that the dashes running down the middle of the road were actually put there so that you could tell which side of the road you were supposed to keep your vehicle on.

[Ultra Peanut]

So... how sore is your hand after that masturbatory, damning illation?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Your body doesn't develop a physical dependance on it like alcohol or cocaine (though, if we continue this discussion long enough, someone will produce documentation to the contrary. There's lots of studies out there slanted to both sides of every argument with pot.), but it can be psychologically addictive much like gambling, the Internet, chocolate, sex, or the murder of vagrants.

I can't help it. The look in their eyes when you first show them the axe is just priceless.

[CosmicPal]

Read "A Million Little Pieces" take two aspirins and call me in the morning

[Katipan]

Is it noon yet??

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

He was hoping to take advantage of you while you're vulnerable.

BTW, the friend I described lived in Rolla while I was at UMR and he lived in Austin while I was at UT. He also had dreams of traveling the world. He wasn't a Chiefs fan or a saxaphone player though (at least not the kind of saxaphone you play in band).

[Bwana]

So, Um, how's this working out?

[Katipan]

It took us 2 days to smoke that joint.