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**DaKCMan AP** · 06-20-2006, 10:14 AM

New US church leader says homosexuality no sin

Mon Jun 19, 3:50 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender.

Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, was elected on Sunday as the first woman leader of the 2.3 million-member Episcopal Church. the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion. She will formally take office later this year.

Interviewed on CNN, Jefferts Schori was asked if it was a sin to be homosexual.

"I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said.

"Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender."

Jefferts Schori's election seemed certain to exacerbate splits within a Episcopal Church that is already deeply divided over homosexuality with several dioceses and parishes threatening to break away.

It could also widen divisions with other Anglican communities, including the Church of England, which do not allow women bishops. In the worldwide Anglican church women are bishops only in Canada, the United States and New Zealand.

Three years ago when the Church last met in convention, a majority of U.S. bishops backed the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The Robinson issue has been particularly criticized in Africa where the church has a growing membership and where homosexuality is often taboo.

Jefferts Schori, who was raised a Roman Catholic and graduated in marine biology with a doctorate specialization in squids and oysters, supported the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother.

Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions.

"The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said.

"The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded."

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Jilly · 06-21-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Jason Seaver, bitches!!!

f-ing hilarious!!!! I missed that earlier...

rad · 06-21-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

I am saying it isn't natural and therefore wrong.

Holy Crap!

You think homosexuality is a disease? That it's not a natural born instinct for those that are gay? bundle of stickss look at a beautiful woman and then look at a hairy ass and say,"Nah, I'll have the man's hairy mudcutter"?

|Zach| · 06-21-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

She is obviously wrong. Lumping this abomination as a "not proper in the old days but o.k. now" does not change what is. The Bible is very clear about this.

BIG_DADDY · 06-21-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Yeah. The majority of AMERICANS like fried chicken. Why?

Is chicken bad? Is there some new slang I don't know about? Should I stop drinking beer and eating 'taters because I'm of German ancestry?

Those racist bastards at BET! ASSUMING most black people like hip-hop and R&B!

http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/pub..._NO_115=133295

RACISTS AT THE USDA!

Hamas is quickly becoming the biggest party line PC dumbass we have here at the planet.

**noa** · 06-21-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

She is obviously wrong. Lumping this abomination as a "not proper in the old days but o.k. now" does not change what is. The Bible is very clear about this.

The Bible is also very clear about not wearing wool and linen at the same time.

The Bible is also very clear about not working on the Sabbath.

The Bible is also very clear about having multiple wives.

Jesus is very clear about the corruption of wealth.

The Bible is also very clear about many things we don't obey any more. I'm willing to bet that you partake in actions every day of your life that "were not proper in the old days" but you see them as o.k. now.

Sully · 06-21-2006, 12:07 PM

...An oft used, but still hilarious speech from "The West Wing."

President Bartlet (Martin Sheen): I like how you call homosexuality an abombination.
Jenna Jacobs: I don't say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President, the Bible does.
President Bartlet: Yes, it does. Leviticus.
Jenna Jacobs: 18:22.
President Bartlet: Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I have you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophmore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo McGarry insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important because we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? "Think about that, will you? Oh, and one last thing. You may have mistaken this for your meeting of the ignorant tight-asses club but in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits.

BIG_DADDY · 06-21-2006, 12:13 PM

Did this thread go downhill or what?

vailpass · 06-21-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Hamas is quickly becoming the biggest party line PC dumbass we have here at the planet.

He's just a 21 year old kid whose line of thinking happens to be whatever he picked up last semester.
PC liberal group-speak was made for people like Hamas and Zach; it's the sytem that lets them all be individuals together.

They are in an academic Utopia where the facts of the real world don't yet invade and contradict the PC liberal dogma.

BTW I think Zach and Hamas are both good kids and respect the fact that they act on their beliefs though their experience samples are exceedingly small.

Ultra Peanut · 06-21-2006, 12:17 PM

Don't forget shaving of the beard/head and tattoos.

YOUR TRAMP STAMP IS AN ABOMINATION IN THE EYES OF THE LORD.

vailpass · 06-21-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Did this thread go downhill or what?

What do you expect when the main posters now are some dude who spends more time in therapy than he does in the gym trying to figure out why he wants to cut his own junk off and a couple of kids presenting the latest in PC phagication?

Ultra Peanut · 06-21-2006, 12:23 PM

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They are in an academic Utopia where the facts of the real world don't yet invade and contradict the PC liberal dogma.

Yeah, good point. Anyone who disagrees with you just doesn't get it because they're too young and stupid. That's a mature point of view for someone claiming to be such an adult to take.

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What do you expect when the main posters now are some dude who spends more time in therapy than he does in the gym trying to figure out why he wants to cut his own junk off and a couple of kids presenting the latest in PC phagication?

Why can't we all just get along and agree with vailpass?!

Also, your continued personal attacks are totally fresh and well done.

vailpass · 06-21-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Yeah, good point. Anyone who disagrees with you just doesn't get it because they're too young and stupid. That's a mature point of view for someone claiming to be such an adult to take.

You conveniently left out the part where I said I respect Zach and Hamas and NEVER impugned their intelligence. If you equate young with stupid that is your bias, not mine.
Why can't we all just get along and agree with vailpass?!

Also, your continued personal attacks are totally fresh and well done.

If you don't like it you might consider not pouring out your personal weirdness on a public intraweb BB. Forgive me if ever since reading that you want to slice off your own crank I take your mental situation into account when evaluating your statements.

Ultra Peanut · 06-21-2006, 12:34 PM

Forgive me for holding your opinion in extremely low esteem after reading your paleolithic views on countless issues.

But yeah, I'M DIFFERENT! OH NOES! That means I'm warped and twisted and a serial killer and completely unfit to hold an opinion about anything!

Watch out, vail! Them gays is gonna git ya!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-21-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Hamas is quickly becoming the biggest party line PC dumbass we have here at the planet.

Do greens even have a party line

. They are what I most closely identify with when one looks at my political leanings, but I vote democrat because I see it as the lesser of two evils. A Machiavellian bastard I no doubt am.

BIG_DADDY · 06-21-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

What do you expect when the main posters now are some dude who spends more time in therapy than he does in the gym trying to figure out why he wants to cut his own junk off and a couple of kids presenting the latest in PC phagication?

What's funny is Hamas always bitching about the right wanting to legislate morality and being intolerant and then he goes and does the same thing. He would like to see legislation passed to force young kids to be exposed to homosexuality before they should even be thinking about that shit even when the majority of parents would be opposed. On top of that he has the audacity to call other hypocrites.

06-20-2006, 10:14 AM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $5634952	New US church leader says homosexuality no sin New US church leader says homosexuality no sin Mon Jun 19, 3:50 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender. Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, was elected on Sunday as the first woman leader of the 2.3 million-member Episcopal Church. the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion. She will formally take office later this year. Interviewed on CNN, Jefferts Schori was asked if it was a sin to be homosexual. "I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said. "Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender." Jefferts Schori's election seemed certain to exacerbate splits within a Episcopal Church that is already deeply divided over homosexuality with several dioceses and parishes threatening to break away. It could also widen divisions with other Anglican communities, including the Church of England, which do not allow women bishops. In the worldwide Anglican church women are bishops only in Canada, the United States and New Zealand. Three years ago when the Church last met in convention, a majority of U.S. bishops backed the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history. The Robinson issue has been particularly criticized in Africa where the church has a growing membership and where homosexuality is often taboo. Jefferts Schori, who was raised a Roman Catholic and graduated in marine biology with a doctorate specialization in squids and oysters, supported the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history. The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother. Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions. "The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said. "The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060619/...HBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
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Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	...An oft used, but still hilarious speech from "The West Wing." President Bartlet (Martin Sheen): I like how you call homosexuality an abombination. Jenna Jacobs: I don't say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President, the Bible does. President Bartlet: Yes, it does. Leviticus. Jenna Jacobs: 18:22. President Bartlet: Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I have you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophmore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo McGarry insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important because we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? "Think about that, will you? Oh, and one last thing. You may have mistaken this for your meeting of the ignorant tight-asses club but in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits. __________________ "And I don't wish that girl any bad luck," he said, "but I hope she gets hit with a car." - Tommy Lasorda
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Ultra Peanut v^V^v^V^v^V^ Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Holland* Casino cash: $10005177	Forgive me for holding your opinion in extremely low esteem after reading your paleolithic views on countless issues. But yeah, I'M DIFFERENT! OH NOES! That means I'm warped and twisted and a serial killer and completely unfit to hold an opinion about anything! Watch out, vail! Them gays is gonna git ya! __________________
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