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Old 12-27-2011, 12:16 PM   #1
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By the way. While everyone's looking for ex coaches and coordinators, guess what Payton and McCarthy have in common? Both have tons of experience as qbs coaches. To me, that's a pretty good place to look. Obviously, that's not zorn. But there has to be someone else out there.
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:53 PM   #2
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:27 PM   #3
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The more and more I think about Fisher to the Chiefs the more and more I am taken back to those heady days of 1989. Shall we travel back to those days?

The franchise is in the doldrums. A string of failures at head coach has cost the team dearly. The owner gets fed up and cleans house. The team needs to make a splashy hire. Something to fire up the fan base. The team hires Marty. A proven coach who has gotten his team so close the Super Bowl twice.

And what did we get? A lot of playoff losses and no franchise QB. And we were so close, we were just a QB away.

So everyone that thinks that Fisher is the answer needs to ask this question; Do we really want to go back to that?
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:50 PM   #4
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The more and more I think about Fisher to the Chiefs the more and more I am taken back to those heady days of 1989. Shall we travel back to those days?

The franchise is in the doldrums. A string of failures at head coach has cost the team dearly. The owner gets fed up and cleans house. The team needs to make a splashy hire. Something to fire up the fan base. The team hires Marty. A proven coach who has gotten his team so close the Super Bowl twice.

And what did we get? A lot of playoff losses and no franchise QB. And we were so close, we were just a QB away.

So everyone that thinks that Fisher is the answer needs to ask this question; Do we really want to go back to that?
Why do you equate hiring Jeff Fisher to the Chiefs not getting a franchise QB?

Fisher has a proven track record, as a head coach of drafting a franchise-caliber QB in the first round, Steve McNair and helping to develop him into an MVP, Pro Bowl, Super Bowl-caliber QB.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:52 PM   #5
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And what did we get? A lot of playoff losses and no franchise QB. And we were so close, we were just a QB away.

So everyone that thinks that Fisher is the answer needs to ask this question; Do we really want to go back to that?
What you don't realize is that Fisher sees the value in a franchise QB.
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:12 AM   #6
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Why do you equate hiring Jeff Fisher to the Chiefs not getting a franchise QB?

Fisher has a proven track record, as a head coach of drafting a franchise-caliber QB in the first round, Steve McNair and helping to develop him into an MVP, Pro Bowl, Super Bowl-caliber QB.
He drafted one QB who had a few great years and one co-MVP season. And even then they only went to one Super Bowl and after that the playoff record is marginal at best.

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What you don't realize is that Fisher sees the value in a franchise QB.
Willing to bet that Fisher wants to put a vet (aka another broke dick) at QB. I don't see Fisher or Cowher wanting to put in more that 5 - 6 years at a new HC job.
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:27 AM   #7
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He drafted one QB who had a few great years and one co-MVP season. And even then they only went to one Super Bowl and after that the playoff record is marginal at best.

Willing to bet that Fisher wants to put a vet (aka another broke dick) at QB. I don't see Fisher or Cowher wanting to put in more that 5 - 6 years at a new HC job.
Fisher, twice in Tennessee tried building around a first round-drafted QB. Steve McNair was a success, Vince Young was not. The point is though Fisher's approach was to build around a drafted, young QB rather than go the stop-gap veteran approach.

And why don't you see Fisher wanting to put in the time to draft and develop a QB in KC? He is 53 years old... 11 years younger than Romeo.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:19 AM   #8
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Fisher, twice in Tennessee tried building around a first round-drafted QB. Steve McNair was a success, Vince Young was not. The point is though Fisher's approach was to build around a drafted, young QB rather than go the stop-gap veteran approach.

And why don't you see Fisher wanting to put in the time to draft and develop a QB in KC? He is 53 years old... 11 years younger than Romeo.
Only one coach, Parcells, has gone from one team (NY Giants) to another (NE Pats) and drafted (Bledsoe) and franchise QB. Recent history points to this trend continuing.

Also, if we remove the whole "Fisher would draft a QB" discussion Fisher is still an overrated coach. His record is not that impressive and remove the Super Bowl run of 13 years ago and is playoff record is 2 - 6.

And let's consider his last "sucessful" season was a carbon copy of what we had with Marty. Team with a vet QB (Collins), strong running game, strong defense, had home field throughout the playoffs (record of 13 - 3) and promptly lost in the first round.

Having watched the last 6 years of the Fisher coached Titans (I have lived in the Nashville area since 2004) I know his coaching approach is play not to lose and not play to win. Again, this is what we had during the Marty era. Strive for mediocrity and hope for some turn overs and / or luck is not a recipe for sucess. You can win a few games, make the playoffs now and again but unless you get extremely lucky (aka the Music City Miracle) you will never get to a Super Bowl.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:26 AM   #9
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Fisher, twice in Tennessee tried building around a first round-drafted QB. Steve McNair was a success, Vince Young was not. The point is though Fisher's approach was to build around a drafted, young QB rather than go the stop-gap veteran approach.

And why don't you see Fisher wanting to put in the time to draft and develop a QB in KC? He is 53 years old... 11 years younger than Romeo.
Fisher didn't want Vince Young.
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What you don't realize is that Fisher sees the value in a franchise QB.
The silver lining is that Fisher swung and missed last time around.

I gotta think that if Marty were to come back to coaching, the first thing he'd do is try to get a QB. I don't see any reason to believe Fisher is any different.

These guys aren't stupid - they watch more football than we do.
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The silver lining is that Fisher swung and missed last time around.

I gotta think that if Marty were to come back to coaching, the first thing he'd do is try to get a QB. I don't see any reason to believe Fisher is any different.

These guys aren't stupid - they watch more football than we do.
I have very little doubt that Fisher recognizes the value of a franchise QB, and the fact is, he tried to find that guy twice, whether he wanted the one that was selected for him the second time around.

But the fact also remains that his coaching philosophy is a mirror image of Marty.

Play not to lose.

Will that change with a new team?

After 16+ years of that philosophy, I have strong doubts.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:48 AM   #12
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I have very little doubt that Fisher recognizes the value of a franchise QB, and the fact is, he tried to find that guy twice, whether he wanted the one that was selected for him the second time around.

But the fact also remains that his coaching philosophy is a mirror image of Marty.

Play not to lose.

Will that change with a new team?

After 16+ years of that philosophy, I have strong doubts.
This, just repeat this over and over and over when thinking that the Chiefs should hire Fisher.
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I have very little doubt that Fisher recognizes the value of a franchise QB, and the fact is, he tried to find that guy twice, whether he wanted the one that was selected for him the second time around.

But the fact also remains that his coaching philosophy is a mirror image of Marty.

Play not to lose.

Will that change with a new team?

After 16+ years of that philosophy, I have strong doubts.
Was that Martys strategy in San Diego? Cam Cameron was pretty aggressive. If that dumbass holds onto the ball we aren't having this conversation.
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Why would they hire someone with a 54% career record. Fisher is no Cowher. They have someone in Crennel who they know can get along with Pioli. Fisher would not be an upgrade over Crennel. Why anyone would want Fisher is beyond comprehension?
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Why would they hire someone with a 54% career record. Fisher is no Cowher. They have someone in Crennel who they know can get along with Pioli. Fisher would not be an upgrade over Crennel. Why anyone would want Fisher is beyond comprehension?
Fisher has 100+ more career wins than Romeo as an NFL HC, but he isn't an upgrade over Romeo?

The Romeo lovers need to get a grip.
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