Chiefs Arrowhead anxiety: Turnover off the field causes concern - Page 15

Dr. Gigglepants · 01-14-2012, 11:42 PM

Secrecy, intimidation, fear and a watchful eye have become hallmarks of working for the Chiefs, say some current and former employees.

BY KENT BABB THE KANSAS CITY STAR

Todd Haley walked into the public relations office at Chiefs headquarters on a Thursday in early December. Four days before he was fired as the team’s coach, he wanted to talk about what life was like inside this organization. But he didn’t know who else might be listening.

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This article goes into a lot of detail on the changes that came into effect with the Pioli regime. Sounds like a shitty ass place to work now.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-15-2012, 10:39 AM

This is going to get real interesting. First of all, you can bet that there will be some big sports journalists looking deeper into this and trying to pry even more information out of these people.

Second, it sounds like the age discrimination suits are in full motion. Once that happens, you can bet that those involved in the suit are going to spill a lot of beans and that will happen under oath. And you can also bet that to build that case, their lawyers aren't going to stop at age discrimination. They're going to look for anything and everything that builds the case that the front office environment is toxic.

Probably a good chance that they settle. But maybe not.

DTLB58 · 01-15-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Really? Pioli had known Haley for years. Parcels who is Piolis Father in law personally recommended Haley. You don't think he knew Haley very well? You don't think that was A tough decision to fire him?

I still think Pioli was going to wait till the end of the season and Clark pushed the issue.

Messier · 01-15-2012, 10:45 AM

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I still think Pioli was going to wait till the end of the season and Clark pushed the issue.

I think you might be right. Pioli said he and Hunt had two discussions, one after the Jets game, and another the next morning. I think the second one was Hunt saying we need to do this now.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-15-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

I still think Pioli was going to wait till the end of the season and Clark pushed the issue.

This article makes you think pretty differently. To me, it sure seems like Haley was fired because that was a better option to him than resigning voluntarily. If he resigned, it sounded like he was ready to spill a lot of beans. If he got fired, they could force him to sign a bunch of non-disclosures.

I've been a vocal supporter of Haley and still stand by it. I think he has the upside to be a good coach but caught in a really toxic environment. Shame.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-15-2012, 10:46 AM

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And finally, the Chiefs provided eight current employees to do interviews for the story but not Scott Pioli? That speaks volumes.

Extra Point · 01-15-2012, 10:47 AM

"This past year, Haley stopped talking on the phone and repeatedly checked his office for listening devices. After being fired, Haley didn’t respond to interview requests; many former staffers said they signed confidentiality agreements upon being let go."

Is that legal? Ordinarily, such agreements are signed upon hire. If I'm getting canned, why should I sign, except for a sizable severance?

Messier · 01-15-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This article makes you think pretty differently. To me, it sure seems like Haley was fired because that was a better option to him than resigning voluntarily. If he resigned, it sounded like he was ready to spill a lot of beans. If he got fired, they could force him to sign a bunch of non-disclosures.

I've been a vocal supporter of Haley and still stand by it. I think he has the upside to be a good coach but caught in a really toxic environment. Shame.

I'm sorry, defiantly continuing to start Palko, knowing he is the worst QB on the roster, is something that should always come back to haunt Haley in the future. He absolutely had to go.

**SAUTO** · 01-15-2012, 10:54 AM

So first off we finally get confirmation Haley was a raging tweaker.
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chiefzilla1501 · 01-15-2012, 10:54 AM

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I'm sorry, defiantly continuing to start Palko, knowing he is the worst QB on the roster, is something that should always come back to haunt Haley in the future. He absolutely had to go.

Right. We should blame the coach because he chose the wrong option between a shitty QB or a rookie fifth rounder they deemed to be unready.

Lightrise · 01-15-2012, 10:55 AM

I have worked in organizations at both extremes as well as in the middle, but I don't think corporate America, let alone the sports industry, has a sound grasp of motivation principles. It goes well beyond integrity and accountabilitiy and unfortunately focusing on those extremes accomplishes nothing but sucking the self esteem out of those caught up in it. This is what decision makers never seem to grasp. Ralph Nader once said, the rich are too rich in this country. Think about that, it accurately foretold by well over a decade where society was heading and the outcome has been far worse than anybody could have imagined. As Jon Huntsman recently said in a debate when Romney suggested it was more important to align with party than for country, "...it's attitudes like that dividing us..." The people are frustrated because they want to contribute in positive and rewarding ways but they are powerless to persuade ostructionists who can't see that by a losing a little you ultimately win a lot.

I've said before that I liked Haley and thought he got a raw deal overall, but I honestly do not think Pioloi will survive more than two more years. Hunt will then move more in his father's direction and settle somewhere in the middle where contentent finally leads to success.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-15-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

So first off we finally get confirmation Haley was a raging tweaker.
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What do you mean? How do you walk out of this thinking Haley was anything but a victim?

Messier · 01-15-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Right. We should blame the coach because he chose the wrong option between a shitty QB or a rookie fifth rounder they deemed to be unready.

Palko is more than shitty, he shouldn't have even make a practice squad. I mean it was really embarrassing that he was ever started. How can anyone know what Stanzi is until he gets in a game? My guess is he would have out preformed Palko.

prhom · 01-15-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

So first off we finally get confirmation Haley was a raging tweaker.
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OR...Pioli got his hands on that fear toxin from the batman movie and kept piping it into Haley's office. Either way Haley comes off as being a little paranoid. What does it matter anyway if someone listens to your work calls.

**SAUTO** · 01-15-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What do you mean? How do you walk out of this thinking Haley was anything but a victim?

They tapped his personal cell phone? Come on man.
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ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-15-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by prhom

OR...Pioli got his hands on that fear toxin from the batman movie and kept piping it into Haley's office. Either way Haley comes off as being a little paranoid. What does it matter anyway if someone listens to your work calls.

Against the Law not sure

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