Royals ***Royals vs. Blue Jays Game Thread - July 12, 2015*** - Page 15

tk13 · 12:18 PM

Since no one else will do it. Last game before the break.

Volquez (8-4) vs. Felix Doubront (1-0)

Jays:

J Reyes SS
D Travis 2B
J Bautista DH
E Encarnacion 1B
C Colabello LF
R Martin C
D Valencia 3B
K Pillar CF
E Carrera RF

Royals:

A Escobar SS
M Moustakas 3B
L Cain CF
E Hosmer 1B
K Morales DH
S Perez C
O Infante 2B
A Rios RF
P Orlando LF

Also, the Futures Game starts at 3/2 central on MLB Network.

Hootie · 07-12-2015, 01:52 PM

Any Royals fan that watches the games and would rather have Morales at bat with runners on rather than Cain is not very good at watching baseball

kstater · 07-12-2015, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

The difference between a a runner on first with no outs and second with no outs is huge in terms of scoring without getting a hit. With no outs or two outs, it's a decent gamble.

That was a purely selfish play on his part for his stats there, he wasn't thinking about runs in a 7-0 game, he was thinking of a double on his stat sheet.

Discuss Thrower · 07-12-2015, 01:52 PM

I mean it's not like that was a consequential out but I mean..

**kysirsoze** · 07-12-2015, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The defensive metrics for Escobar just never seem to like him as much as it seems they should. Not sure why.

His range and arm are impressive.

It's why I have him as my MVP even though Cain is the easy choice. I just think he's so underrated by people who don't watch him play.

Hootie · 07-12-2015, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater

That was a purely selfish play on his part for his stats there, he wasn't thinking about runs in a 7-0 game, he was thinking of a double on his stat sheet.

Oh please. He was out by a step. Nothing wrong with aggression in a lopsided game.

bsroyals54 · 07-12-2015, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Any Royals fan that watches the games and would rather have Morales at bat with runners on rather than Cain is not very good at watching baseball

Weird and false thing to say, it appears I have won.

kstater · 07-12-2015, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Oh please. He was out by a step. Nothing wrong with aggression in a lopsided game.

I didn't offer my opinion as to if it was a wrong move, just my thoughts on his motivation.

Coach · 07-12-2015, 01:54 PM

Not that it mattered anyways if Hos decided to stay at single, as Morales hit a soft comebacker to the pitcher, which would had resulted a 1-6-3 DP anyways.

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2015, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater

That was a purely selfish play on his part for his stats there, he wasn't thinking about runs in a 7-0 game, he was thinking of a double on his stat sheet.

Hustling his ass of in 95 degree heat is selfish? It's no different than trying to steal second on the next pitch.

cosmo20002 · 07-12-2015, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog

Many of our higher order hitters would have similar RBI numbers if they were hitting in the same spot in the lineup as Morales with guys in front of them getting on base. It's an over-rated statistic.

Just to clarify, I'm not arguing that Morales is MVP.
But I don't think RBI should be relegated to the relevance of a W for pitchers. RBI is a lot about opportunity. But you still have to deliver.

Coach · 07-12-2015, 01:56 PM

Dammit....

**petegz28** · 07-12-2015, 01:57 PM

2 infield hits...well a hit and an error....don't give them hope

Hootie · 07-12-2015, 01:57 PM

Royals MVP's thus far, in order:

1) Cain
2) Salvy (though he's certainly our most important player)
GIANT GAP
3) Moose
4) Esky
5) Gordon
6) Hos
7) Chris Young (huge boost when we needed it)
8) Wade Davis
9) Volquez
10) Morales
11) Madson
41) Infante
953) Rios

duncan_idaho · 07-12-2015, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54

Morales has a .954 OPS with men on base, Cain has a .855 OPS overall. Is exactly my point

And Cain has a .906 OPS with men on base. Morales' OBP is 50 points higher, and his SLG is 20 points higher.

That OBP doesn't have anything to do with RBI totals, so you're talking about a 20 point difference in SLG, which doesn't mean that much.

Morales has had 30 more PAs with runners on than Cain. Morales has 55 RBI in those plate appearances (178), for a rate of 1:3.23.

Cain has 40 RBI in 146 PAs with men on, a rate of 1:3.65 (which would give him 49 RBI in those situations, a difference of 6).

Those are not big gaps at all.

bsroyals54 · 07-12-2015, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

And Cain has a .906 OPS with men on base. Morales' OBP is 50 points higher, and his SLG is 20 points higher.

That OBP doesn't have anything to do with RBI totals, so you're talking about a 20 point difference in SLG, which doesn't mean that much.

Morales has had 30 more PAs with runners on than Cain. Morales has 55 RBI in those plate appearances (178), for a rate of 1:3.23.

Cain has 40 RBI in 146 PAs with men on, a rate of 1:3.65 (which would give him 49 RBI in those situations, a difference of 6).

Those are not big gaps at all.

Cain should bat 5th, what is Ned doing?

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