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Old 02-12-2007, 08:03 PM  
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Old 02-13-2007, 11:58 AM   #226
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Old 02-13-2007, 12:19 PM   #227
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“Marty Schottenheimer can’t catch the ball for us,” Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates said during the playoffs. “Marty Schottenheimer can’t make tackles for us. He puts us in situations to make plays; he puts us in situations to win ballgames.”


Gates has inadvertently summarized Schottenheimer's entire coaching career.
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Old 02-13-2007, 12:21 PM   #228
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Just as well for Marty.....He probably didn't want to move to LA with the team anyway.
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Old 02-13-2007, 12:26 PM   #229
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Sweet San Diego is going to suck next year. Welcome back to Raiderland Chargers.
Yeah, but who do share that with? The Chargers wagon emptied weeks ago.

Back in the closet go the Charger fans. Maybe they will come back out next decade.
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Old 02-13-2007, 12:39 PM   #230
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You fire Marty for the simple reason of his history. 5-13 in the playoffs is a complete joke. You cant have the teams Marty has had over the last decade and just piss away the home field and playoffs like he has..

Take away Montana's run in KC and Marty is a smashing 3-12.....

If you want to win games and put fans in the seats. You Hire Marty.

If you want to win superbowls and championships. You fire Marty.

IF you want niether? You hire Herm.

fuck Marty.. Happy trails playoff choker!
To be fair (you do want to be fair, right?), most of those losses weren't due to poor coaching. They were due to things he couldn't control, like Lin Elliot choking. How many did he lose because of kicking?
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Old 02-13-2007, 01:01 PM   #231
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To be fair (you do want to be fair, right?), most of those losses weren't due to poor coaching. They were due to things he couldn't control, like Lin Elliot choking. How many did he lose because of kicking?
Why were even IN the postion to lose on a Lin Elliot field goal?

COACHING.

You can look at the missed FG or you can evaluate why they were kicking in the first place.

Everybody remembers Nate Kaeding and the 50-yard miss in the playoffs three years ago. Only those of us that care remember that the Chargers had 1st-and-10 at the Jet 40 and RAN THE BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES in order to setup their ROOKIE kicker for a 49-yard attempt IN THE RAIN.
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Old 02-13-2007, 01:06 PM   #232
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Why were even IN the postion to lose on a Lin Elliot field goal?

COACHING.

You can look at the missed FG or you can evaluate why they were kicking in the first place.

Everybody remembers Nate Kaeding and the 50-yard miss in the playoffs three years ago. Only those of us that care remember that the Chargers had 1st-and-10 at the Jet 40 and RAN THE BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES in order to setup their ROOKIE kicker for a 49-yard attempt IN THE RAIN.

Pretty much sums up Marty in just a few short sentences...
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Old 02-13-2007, 02:27 PM   #233
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[QUOTE=Lzen]Uhhhh.....nope.

Getting to the playoffs is only half the battle. Good coaches should have around a .500 playoffs record.
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uhhh sorry, let's do the math again: 12 teams make the playoffs -- only TWO end up with a winning record. The other ten come away 0-1 or 1-1. (Yeah even the ones with home field advantage)

So No, like it or not, a good coach who leads his team to the playoffs every year, WILL compile an ugly record.... about 9 times out of 10... unless they're fortunate enough to reach the Super Bowl.
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Old 02-13-2007, 02:38 PM   #234
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Uhhhh.....nope.

Getting to the playoffs is only half the battle. Good coaches should have around a .500 playoffs record.
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uhhh sorry, let's do the math again: 12 teams make the playoffs -- only TWO end up with a winning record. The other ten come away 0-1 or 1-1. (Yeah even the ones with home field advantage)

So No, like it or not, a good coach who leads his team to the playoffs every year, WILL compile an ugly record.... about 9 times out of 10... unless they're fortunate enough to reach the Super Bowl.
Really? They'll usually lose their first game like Marty has nine times?

Chuck Knox is widely viewed as the precursor to Marty. Yet, he had a career playoff record of 7-11 -- he only went one-and-out five times in 11 tries (compared to Marty's 9 in 13).
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Old 02-13-2007, 02:39 PM   #235
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Why were even IN the postion to lose on a Lin Elliot field goal?

COACHING.

You can look at the missed FG or you can evaluate why they were kicking in the first place.

Everybody remembers Nate Kaeding and the 50-yard miss in the playoffs three years ago. Only those of us that care remember that the Chargers had 1st-and-10 at the Jet 40 and RAN THE BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES in order to setup their ROOKIE kicker for a 49-yard attempt IN THE RAIN.
Yeah. I think this year was different. Do you think it was Marty's fault this last time? I actually felt bad for Marty this time because I don't think he choked. I think this time was just bad luck.

And one more point -- Marty never had great teams here. And part of that is Marty's fault for going with simple schemes. It's Marty's whole coaching philosophy, not just game-time decisions that have hurt him.
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Old 02-13-2007, 02:39 PM   #236
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Without reading the whole thread, does anyone else wonder if A.J. Smith specifically kept Marty employed until all of the other coaching jobs were filled?

The Chargers are sooooo stupid. Sure, Marty has the curse in the playoffs, but the Chargers were a perennial 5-11 team before he showed up, and they'll be back there again. If Marty has a playoff curse, the Chargers have a regular season curse.
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Without reading the whole thread, does anyone else wonder if A.J. Smith specifically kept Marty employed until all of the other coaching jobs were filled?
They screwed him deliberately, IMO.
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Old 02-13-2007, 02:46 PM   #238
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Without reading the whole thread, does anyone else wonder if A.J. Smith specifically kept Marty employed until all of the other coaching jobs were filled?

The Chargers are sooooo stupid. Sure, Marty has the curse in the playoffs, but the Chargers were a perennial 5-11 team before he showed up, and they'll be back there again. If Marty has a playoff curse, the Chargers have a regular season curse.
I think you're overestimated the damage of losing Marty. The damage was done when Cameron and Phillips left. Marty with those guys equaled a great coaching staff. Marty without those guys -- see Washington under Marty.
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Yeah. I think this year was different. Do you think it was Marty's fault this last time? I actually felt bad for Marty this time because I don't think he choked. I think this time was just bad luck.

And one more point -- Marty never had great teams here. And part of that is Marty's fault for going with simple schemes. It's Marty's whole coaching philosophy, not just game-time decisions that have hurt him.
Was this year different? The clock management at the end of the New England game was horrible...
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I think you're overestimated the damage of losing Marty. The damage was done when Cameron and Phillips left. Marty with those guys equaled a great coaching staff. Marty without those guys -- see Washington under Marty.
He had one season in Washington. You couldn't tell anything from that.
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