just more speculation about RGIII

[tooge]

Well, at least they mention the chiefs


Robert Griffin trade rumors already spinning out of control
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 28, 2012, 4:04 PM EST

APForget the Combine. Forget free agency. Robert Griffin III trade chatter dominates the NFL discussion these days.

And it’s still February.

Perhaps Rams COO Kevin Demoff is right: It’s getting less crazy to imagine a deal could be completed before free agency. We’ve read and heard an unprecedented amount of trade rumors about the No. 2 overall pick for this time of year.

Let’s go over the latest:

1. Mike Jones of the Washington Post writes the Redskins would give up the No. 6 overall pick and next year’s first round pick in addition to multiple picks in the mid-to-upper rounds of the draft. Consider this the starting point for negotiations.

The Rams are reportedly looking for a similar package to the one San Diego netted for Eli Manning: Two firsts (including the No. 4 overall pick), a third- and fifth-round pick. The Redskins sound ready to meet this demand.

2. Texas A&M prospect Ryan Tannehill is watching the Griffin talk closely. Jones believes the Redskins would take Tannehill at No. 6 overal if they can’t get Griffin.

3. Terry Pluto of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer believes the Browns will ultimately have to give up three first-round picks in order to land Griffin. Do I hear four, Redskins? (This reminds us of a classic article by the Onion.)

4. Demoff told Peter King of SI.com that the Rams received a feeler from a team “you would never expect.” Does Kansas City count? If not, we’ll roll with Philadelphia as our irresponsible guess for a mystery team. Enter your pick below.

5. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch considers the Redskins the early favorite to land Griffin. This sounds true based on all the reports, plus Mike Shanahan’s close relationship with Jeff Fisher.

[qabbaan]

Manning is our best option. It's just money, and we are so far under the cap that money can't be an excuse.

We are not going to trade up in the draft or do anything but make a safe pick. Pioli says they want to draft QBs every year, but he means they want to draft low round QBs and experiment with them.

Manning is our only hope with this administration!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Sooo much fail in this thread. Wow. Now RG3 is a "punk", next they'll say he should be moved to wideout.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If you're going to invest in a 1st round qb make sure it's the right one. The chiefs can get tannehill or osweiller. Both of them would be tremendous reaches. Outside those 2 guys, clausen has better upside than all of them.

My proposal has always been... Bring clausen in for a year. Aggressively draft a qb in 2013. Neither of are statements that clausen is a franchise qb. It is a statement that clausen is a guy you can being in for nothing that allows you to groom a young qb with upside and still devote 2013 to aggressively draft a qb in the first round.

Clausen has no upside. Never has. Never will. You are completely deranged (other than realizing that Tannehill and Osweiller are both fourth round guys at best).

(I still am utterly fascinated by this boards obsession with Tannehill. What the hell has he ever done to merit first round consideration? He went into the tank against every single decent defense he played against this past season.)

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

No.

As I have always said, there are elite qbs. And there are franchise qbs. Ben, Brady, brees, peyton, Rodgers. They are elite. Qbs like Green and Matt Ryan are franchise qbs. They are very good qbs who can win you super bowls if you give them a good supporting cast. Our lack ofbpkayoff success almost certainly would have Ben reduced if we were even bad at drafting (as opposed to flat out terrible)
If we are building our team on the 10% chance we get an elite qb, we are screwed.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

D

We have zero playoff wins because under vermeil we had a terrific qb but piss poor drafts. We had zero playoff wins under Marty because we had a very good supporting cast but no qb.

Atop acting like the only reason we have struggled is because of the qb. Our problem is that we have never had a good qb and a great draft presence at the same time.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Clausen has no upside. Never has. Never will. You are completely deranged (other than realizing that Tannehill and Osweiller are both fourth round guys at best).

(I still am utterly fascinated by this boards obsession with Tannehill. What the hell has he ever done to merit first round consideration? He went into the tank against every single decent defense he played against this past season.)

Hooray, a Sac post I can agree with. 1 year starter...no thanks. The track record is as bad as picking a late rounder and expecting them to pan out.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

My take is that you are ****ing moron.

Clausen's circumstances weren't the reason he sucked so hard and showed abssolutely nothing.

Even in the worst of situations, kids with talent show flashes.

He sucked, pure and simple.

You are a ****ing moron.

He didn't have his starting rb. His left tackle was Jordan black bad. He had one legit receiver in Steve Smith who was mailing it in. His career isn't over. It has a downward arrow bit that's not something I care about if we are talking about a throwaway option. Indeed zero potential in cousins or foles, who are the next best options.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by penguinz

You get what I meant.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by qabbaan

Manning is our best option. It's just money, and we are so far under the cap that money can't be an excuse.

We are not going to trade up in the draft or do anything but make a safe pick. Pioli says they want to draft QBs every year, but he means they want to draft low round QBs and experiment with them.

Manning is our only hope with this administration!

Manning hasn't thrown a ball in over a year. There were the rumors that he's left with a noodle arm because of the nerve damage in his neck.

Besides the fact that he's 36, and coming off of, let's count them, one, two, three and four, neck surgeries.

I love the guy. One of the best ever. But he's 36 years old (as of March 24th) and has had multiple neck surgeries.

What do you think you are going to get from this guy at this point? Besides a massive salary cap hit and another two year delay in drafting and developing a young quarterback?

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Manning hasn't thrown a ball in over a year. There were the rumors that he's left with a noodle arm because of the nerve damage in his neck.

Besides the fact that he's 36, and coming off of, let's count them, one, two, three and four, neck surgeries.

I love the guy. One of the best ever. But he's 36 years old (as of March 24th) and has had multiple neck surgeries.

What do you think you are going to get from this guy at this point? Besides a massive salary cap hit and another two year delay in drafting and developing a young quarterback?

Pocket presence, reading defenses, and anticipating receiver routes don't go away with neck surgeries. If he's healthy enough to play, he's far and away the best option.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Pocket presence, reading defenses, and anticipating receiver routes don't go away with neck surgeries. If he's healthy enough to play, he's far and away the best option.

Barry Richardson is our right tackle.

You can scratch pocket presence. You can probably add another neck injury to it as well.

Manning has never worked with our receivers or with Daboll.

So much for anticipating routes.

They guy can definitely read defenses though.

Manning hasn't thrown in over a year. He hasn't worked with a team in over a year. He's behind the curve on conditioning.

He's effectively six games away from being "Peyton Manning" given a full off-season with a new team - providing that he can even still play after this latest neck surgery.

Manning, the 2012 free agent, bringing Chiefs playoff glory, is a bigger pipe dream than us trading up for Bobbie Griffin.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

As I have always said, there are elite qbs. And there are franchise qbs. Ben, Brady, brees, peyton, Rodgers. They are elite. Qbs like Green and Matt Ryan are franchise qbs. They are very good qbs who can win you super bowls if you give them a good supporting cast. Our lack ofbpkayoff success almost certainly would have Ben reduced if we were even bad at drafting (as opposed to flat out terrible)
If we are building our team on the 10% chance we get an elite qb, we are screwed.

No. A franchise QB isn't somebody you get a few good years out of. Green doesn't compare to Matt Ryan, who will probably still be playing 8-10 years from now.

[carlos3652]

Qb's drafted in first round since 2000+

2000 - 1-18 - Chad Pennington (Jets)
2001 - 1-1 - Mike Vick (Falcons)
2002 - 1-1 - David Carr (Texans)
2002 - 1-3 - Joey Harrignton (Lions)
2002 - 1-32 - Patrick Ramsey (Redskins)
2003 - 1-1 - Carson Palmer (Bengals)
2003 - 1-7 - Byron Leftwich (Jaguars)
2003 - 1-19 - Kyle Boller (Ravens)
2003 - 1-22 - Rex Grossman (Bears)
2004 - 1-1 - Eli Manning (Giants)
2004 - 1-4 - Philip Rivers (Chargers)
2004 - 1-11 - Ben Roethlisberger (Steelers)
2004 - 1-22 - JP Losman (Bills)
2005 - 1-1 - Alex Smith (49ers)
2005 - 1-24 - Aaron Rodgers (Packers)
2005 - 1-25 - Jason Campbell (Redskins)
2006 - 1-3 - Vince Young (Titans)
2006 - 1-10 - Matt Leinart (Cardinals)
2006 - 1-11 - Jake Cutler (Broncos)
2007 - 1-1 - JaMarcus Russell (Raiders)
2007 - 1-22 - Brady Quinn (Browns)
2008 - 1-3 - Matt Ryan (Falcons)
2008 - 1-18 - Joe Flacco (Ravens)
2009 - 1-1 - Mathew Stafford (Lions)
2009 - 1-5 - Mark Sanchez (Jets)
2009 - 1-17 - Josh Freeman (Bucs)
2010 - 1-1 - Sam Bradford (Rams)
2010 - 1-25 - Tim Tebow (Broncos)
2011 - 1-1 - Cam Newton (Panthers)
2011 - 1-8 - Jake Locker (Titans)
2011 - 1-10 - Blaine Gabbert (Jaguars)
2011 - 1-12 - Chris Ponder (Vikings)

Notables Drafted outside 1st.

2000- Marc Bulger 6-168
2000- Tom Brady 6-199
2001- Drew Brees 2-33
2003 - Tony Romo - Undrafted
2004 - Matt Schaub 3-90
2011 - Andy Dalton 2-35

Ok, so how many Franchise Qb's from this list? Also, how many of these QB's were so called sure things to excel in the NFL. How many have panned out.

Let me know if having to get RGIII is worth trading away 3 firsts and multiple picks in the next 2 drafts. I think not.

Regardless of the last 40 year history we have had to endure- Its stupid to trade away too much for an unknown. If we could give up 2 firsts and a 3rd and a 5th id do it in a heartbeat. I wont be pissed if the redskins or browns actually give up what they are saying they will. And yes, do I feel "Next year we will do something about the QB situation" will piss people off - but if you are smart (and I think Pioli is) being Cap friendly and having young quality pieces in place year in and year out - we will eventually hit on a QB that we can call franchise in the future and we will be GREAT for 10+ years. Its not worth creating cap hell, losing pieces in the future for a gamble.

Again, I expect us to start using our first rounders for QB's - but im not willing to trade the farm on gambles, because if we countinue doing what we are doing, if we make a mistake on the gamble, we can try again, and still be in the same friendly (Cap and young pieces) situation we were when we tried the first time.

Anyways, my 2 cents. And i really do think this is what we are building towards.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Barry Richardson is our right tackle.

You can scratch pocket presence. You can probably add another neck injury to it as well.

We can all pretty much stop talking about Barry Richardson right now. He won't be back and we'll have an upgrade. So he's a non factor.

[BossChief]

Peyton was throwing to backs and receivers after practice since week 11 of last season and now throws the whole route tree.

Stick to the facts.