Football Should Penn State Get the Death Penalty? - Page 16

**Trivers** · 07-12-2012, 12:14 PM

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...lege_football/

Looks like officials are going from Penn State to state pen. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

What say ye? If so, for how long?

chiefzilla1501 · 07-14-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I keep seeing things like, "Don't you think the fans, university and town are embarrassed enough already"?

Considering these assholes were holding rallies for Paterno - not the victims of abuse - when the news leaked, I'd say no.

It's not about whether they are embarrassed. We are talking about stripping away educational opportunities for innocent students and job opportunities for innocent faculty members, losing funding for all athletic programs that are not related to football, and creating an even greater cost for taxpayers.

We're talking about a taxpayer-driven institution with a football program that makes $50M a year, much of which either funds other athletic programs or goes back into the school.

And being a fan of a team or rallying around a scumbag are not crimes. We have to take emotion out of this. Just because you root for the wrong things does not mean the law should punish you for it.

**Dylan** · 07-14-2012, 04:26 PM

According to The New York Times, Paterno got a richer contract amid the Sandusky inquiry.

NYT: Paterno Won Sweeter Deal Even as Scandal Played Out
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/sp...y.html?_r=2&hp

According to ABC News, Sandusky will likely receive his $58,898-a-year state pension while in prison. Unreal.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-14-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's not about whether they are embarrassed. We are talking about stripping away educational opportunities for innocent students and job opportunities for innocent faculty members, losing funding for all athletic programs that are not related to football, and creating an even greater cost for taxpayers.

We're talking about a taxpayer-driven institution with a football program that makes $50M a year, much of which either funds other athletic programs or goes back into the school.

And being a fan of a team or rallying around a scumbag are not crimes. We have to take emotion out of this. Just because you root for the wrong things does not mean the law should punish you for it.

Where were you when USC was getting penalized? Ohio State? Or the other 23 D-1 schools that were sanctioned or on probation at one point last season?

No one was concerned about taxpayers and innocent faculty members then.

You can (and should) penalize the PSU football program without giving them the death penalty.

**ShortRoundChief** · 07-14-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

NCAA needs to sanction Penn State and let every PSU player transfer immediately to another scholarship program.

Absolutely, thereby screwing a scholarship from another student per every transfer.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-14-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Where were you when USC was getting penalized? Ohio State? Or the other 23 D-1 schools that were sanctioned or on probation at one point last season?

No one was concerned about taxpayers and innocent faculty members then.

You can (and should) penalize the PSU football program without giving them the death penalty.

Ok, if that's what you're talking about, we're in complete agreement. I don't think there's anyone that disagrees that there should be sanctions. And it would be silly if they were any less than what USC got.

But there are lots of calls for the death penalty, and those are just stupid and way beyond what needs to be done.

**Dylan** · 07-14-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I keep seeing things like, "Don't you think the fans, university and town are embarrassed enough already"?

Considering these assholes were holding rallies for Paterno - not the victims of abuse - when the news leaked, I'd say no.

They can burn and turn over cars, but can't tear down a statue?

Paterno lucked out and died too soon.

People of integrity don't turn a blind eye to child sex abuse – And people who are dead are judged all the time. Just read any history book. They're held accountable for their actions - Where they are judged in the court of public opinion.

**Dylan** · 07-14-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

Absolutely, thereby screwing a scholarship from another student per every transfer.

You make a good point. But, I'm sure the NCAA can work out or think of something else to do. By doing nothing, it makes them look like a bunch of crooks. Penn State is f word.

Hopefully, the media keeps the pressure on their ass.

**notorious** · 07-14-2012, 04:57 PM

Just Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

WilliamTheIrish · 07-14-2012, 05:07 PM

I don't think they get the death penalty. Otherwise it opens the NCAA up to all sorts of investigations that they left on the table with no sanctions.

However, I see a $1.7b endowment up for grabs. I don't think Penn St can hide that money from the victims.

RaiderH8r · 07-14-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

I don't think they get the death penalty. Otherwise it opens the NCAA up to all sorts of investigations that they left on the table with no sanctions.

However, I see a $1.7b endowment up for grabs. I don't think Penn St can hide that money from the victims.

Nor should they. That should be the first pot of money open to victims.

RaiderH8r · 07-14-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's not about whether they are embarrassed. We are talking about stripping away educational opportunities for innocent students and job opportunities for innocent faculty members, losing funding for all athletic programs that are not related to football, and creating an even greater cost for taxpayers.

We're talking about a taxpayer-driven institution with a football program that makes $50M a year, much of which either funds other athletic programs or goes back into the school.

And being a fan of a team or rallying around a scumbag are not crimes. We have to take emotion out of this. Just because you root for the wrong things does not mean the law should punish you for it.

Even if PSU went away entirely it isn't the end of education FFS. Get new jobs, go to new schools and curse the names of Sandusky and JoPa.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-14-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

Even if PSU went away entirely it isn't the end of education FFS. Get new jobs, go to new schools and curse the names of Sandusky and JoPa.

RaiderH8r · 07-14-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If it were a corporation engaged in this sort of cover up they'd be burned to the ground. Why should PSU be treated any differently?

chiefzilla1501 · 07-14-2012, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

If it were a corporation engaged in this sort of cover up they'd be burned to the ground. Why should PSU be treated any differently?

Because this isn't a corporation. This is an institution with an $8.5B economic impact and the lifeblood of the state of Pennsylvania. It encourages Pennsylvania residents to stay in state, provides affordable tuition to good students, and then turns those students into future employed Americans who usually stay in-state to keep Pennsylvania's economy running. It is a public institution that, if it fails, Pennsylvania residents will have to foot the bill for the $8.5B per year (and beyond) of loss of impact.

The stats are below:
http://econimpact.psu.edu/

So you're telling the state of Pennsylvania that they should suck it up and lose $8.5B? You're telling students that they should just move to a new state or suck it up and pay a higher tuition rate because they were dumb enough to live in a state that funded Penn State? You're going to tell 44,000 faculty members and staff that they should get their walking papers, not because the university folded, but because some overzealous regulator decided they needed to go above and beyond the necessary punishment?

This isn't just a football program that happens to have a school attached to it. This is a critical piece to the Pennsylvania economy.

BigRock · 07-14-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because this isn't a corporation. This is an institution with an $8.5B economic impact and the lifeblood of the state of Pennsylvania. It encourages Pennsylvania residents to stay in state, provides affordable tuition to good students, and then turns those students into future employed Americans who usually stay in-state to keep Pennsylvania's economy running. It is a public institution that, if it fails, Pennsylvania residents will have to foot the bill for the $8.5B per year (and beyond) of loss of impact.

The stats are below:
http://econimpact.psu.edu/

So you're telling the state of Pennsylvania that they should suck it up and lose $8.5B? You're telling students that they should just move to a new state or suck it up and pay a higher tuition rate because they were dumb enough to live in a state that funded Penn State? You're going to tell 44,000 faculty members and staff that they should get their walking papers, not because the university folded, but because some overzealous regulator decided they needed to go above and beyond the necessary punishment?

This isn't just a football program that happens to have a school attached to it. This is a critical piece to the Pennsylvania economy.

We can't do that kind of harm to Penn State football. The sport of football is just too important to the university.

SAVE THE PROGRAM, SAVE THE WORLD.

Signed,
Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, and Joe Paterno

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