ChiefsPlanet It's been a long time coming. Adiós. - Page 17

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-01-2015, 02:04 PM

It's time for me to bow out. It's been almost 10 years, and I'm tired.

Tired of the false narratives. Tired of people arguing the poster instead of the post. Tired of discussing football with people who favor excuses over evidence. Tired of wasting time talking about an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in the lifetime of a college senior. Tired of watching other great posters leaving entirely or posting less, weakening the Football IQ this place was known for 5-10 years ago.

I know posting a thread instead of just walking away will open the door for many to take their cheap shots - we all know who they are - and if you don't, just wait. They'll show themselves. Those of you that know me privately know this has been building for a long time.

With all that said, I'll say what I've always said: This team has talent, but will continually fall short as long as they keep thinking you can win in the postseason consistently with average QB play. You don't put enough pressure on the opposing defense, and it puts too much pressure on your defense - if they don't have a near-perfect day, you lose.

Peters and Conley were great picks and should make an impact in the years to come. Should be fun to watch. (What? According to some, I NEVER say anything positive - just another false narrative) While I doubt he'll get his shot, I'd like to see if Murray can be that franchise guy, or if he fell for reasons other than what people here assume - namely, his height and injury history. Hopefully they get Houston signed long-term, because if they don't they are in deep, deep shit. The defense tends to carry this team, and Houston is the most important cog in said defense.

I've made a lot of great friends here that are still friends to this day, and will continue to be. This place was awesome when it was more community based - when there would be gatherings, tailgates, etc. Now, it's littered with trolls that take advantage of the anonymity of the internet and would never show their face in public. That attitude has weakened this place considerably, IMHO.

For those of you I call a friend, we'll be in touch. If anyone that isn't already a friend privately or on Facebook/Twitter wants to continue to keep in touch, I'll keep my PM's open for a week or so.

Thanks, Kyle. It was fun for a while. Queue the "well, bye/sour grapes" posts in 3...2...1.

**dirk digler** · 07-02-2015, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Yeah, but that's not how it goes. Any optimism is characterized as stupid, even cautious optimism when it's warranted.

This isn't a team that goes 4-12 every year, it often has winning records and sometimes makes playoff appearances. Sure, everyone wants more, but people acting like the team makes 0% of their decisions correctly is dumb.

Fair enough but I am one that doesn't do that.

If you look at the last 10 years this team is 75-101. They are more likely to go 4-12 than 10-6.

**ShortRoundChief** · 07-02-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Just checked my neg reps. I have given ONE since 2010, and that was in 2012 for a neg pile on Jiu Jitsu Jon.

Ya'll are a bunch of Fn Women.

You should go to my non football bitch thread I just started to air those concerns.

**dirk digler** · 07-02-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

So, your realistic expectation was to go from 2-14 to a Super Bowl in 2 years?

This team is gonna win a playoff game this year.

My realistic expectation is to win playoff games and compete for a SB.

I hope so but I am not counting on it.

Eleazar · 07-02-2015, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Fair enough but I am one that doesn't do that.

If you look at the last 10 years this team is 75-101. They are more likely to go 4-12 than 10-6.

Carl and Herm are long gone. Pioli and Haley and Romeo are long gone. That history is completely unrelated to the decision makers with the team today.

**BossChief** · 07-02-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Patience would be easier to have if they were breaking in a young quarterback. But you go out and trade for "franchise QB" who was 28/29, that's a win ****ing now move. So you better win and win big. Especially with a roster that was talented to begin with, just needed coaching which Reid provided.

I think they have exceeded expectations, looking at the big picture.

So quickly people forget how bad this team was. Banners, Cassel getting cheered when he got hurt, being a punch line on South Park, the whole Belcher scenario, candy wrappers, constantly getting blown out...this team and franchise was a joke.

They made the win now move (as you pointed out) and have won 20 games in 2 years for a team that only won 29 games in the previous 6 seasons combined.

They have done so while replacing the overrated and overpaid talent we had with younger and cheaper players.

ChiefsCountry · 07-02-2015, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I think they have exceeded expectations, looking at the big picture.

So quickly people forget how bad this team was. Banners, Cassel getting cheered when he got hurt, being a punch line on South Park, the whole Belcher scenario, candy wrappers, constantly getting blown out...this team and franchise was a joke.

They made the win now move (as you pointed out) and have won 20 games in 2 years for a team that only won 29 games in the previous 6 seasons combined.

They have done so while replacing the overrated and overpaid talent we had with younger and cheaper players.

Talent was in place. Piss poor management and coaching doesn't discount when your best players are already on the team and coming into their prime. They won 7 games with ****ing Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton at the helm. Reid got them back on track to win 10 games which is what the team is built for. Its never going to be a Super Bowl contender because of Alex Smith. So we are back to Marty era again, which is fine but don't expect anymore out of it.

Willie Lanier · 07-02-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

No, I meant you are shit.

No. No, I didn't.

To make up for this lack of respect for the English language, I leave you with this bit of insight:

Heh guess I thought I was getting a 1 up on the language nazi police, my bad I submit

**BossChief** · 07-02-2015, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Talent was in place. Piss poor management and coaching doesn't discount when your best players are already on the team and coming into their prime. They won 7 games with ****ing Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton at the helm. Reid got them back on track to win 10 games which is what the team is built for. Its never going to be a Super Bowl contender because of Alex Smith. So we are back to Marty era again, which is fine but don't expect anymore out of it.

Of course we had talent, we had like 6 probowlers on a 2 win team.

Trouble is, that talent was paper thin and outside of maybe 10 players, the team needed to hit the restart button.

Reid and Dorsey identified the guys they saw as the core for the long term building of a contender and is building around them while moving on from everyone else.

So far, it's worked out very well for them.

This team is getting built to be a monster in the playoffs, not like Marty's teams...which were almost always one sided.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-02-2015, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Patience would be easier to have if they were breaking in a young quarterback. But you go out and trade for "franchise QB" who was 28/29, that's a win ****ing now move. So you better win and win big. Especially with a roster that was talented to begin with, just needed coaching which Reid provided.

I understand how that could apply to some. But keep in mind, Dorsey and Reid have upgraded the talent in all three phases of the game, mostly through the draft but also through the waiver wire (Parker & Jaye Howard come to mind).

They did what was necessary to immediately turn around this franchise in 2013 by trading for a solid, veteran QB. Had they chosen to draft an EJ Manuel or Geno Smith, this team would have been 4-12 at best or 8-24 over the past two seasons, leaving the fans even further disgruntled and apathetic.

Dorsey & Reid's history shows that they will address the QB position but that they'll also be patient in doing so. Meanwhile, the core of this team will continue to ascend through coaching and experience.

IMO, it's no different than what happened in Seattle, although the Chiefs current starter is much better than Tavaris Jackson or (LOL), Charlie Whitehurst.

RunKC · 07-02-2015, 12:51 PM

This team had a handful of talent on defense and Jamaal Charles. That was it. Go look at the 2012 roster and you'll see.

Our WR's sans Bowe weren't good at all.
Our OL sans Hudson and an injury prone Albert wasn't good.
Our TE's sucked
Our DL was okay
Our entire secondary sans Berry and Flowers was absolute garbage.

This team had a ton of holes and only a few very talented players.

ChiefsCountry · 07-02-2015, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

This team is getting built to be a monster in the playoffs, not like Marty's teams...which were almost always one sided.

And here is the stupid shit that drives posters away.

DJ's left nut · 07-02-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

And here is the stupid shit that drives posters away.

Whereas this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its never going to be a Super Bowl contender because of Alex Smith. So we are back to Marty era again, which is fine but don't expect anymore out of it.

Is the evenhanded and substantive discourse that keeps 'em coming back for more, eh?

**dirk digler** · 07-02-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Carl and Herm are long gone. Pioli and Haley and Romeo are long gone. That history is completely unrelated to the decision makers with the team today.

Clark Hunt is not the decision maker? He is the one that hired and fired all those guys. He doesn't have a very good track record almost 10 years into his ownership. Been pretty much a disaster.

**dirk digler** · 07-02-2015, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Whereas this:

Is the evenhanded and substantive discourse that keeps 'em coming back for more, eh?

Is he wrong?

-King- · 07-02-2015, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Whereas this:

Is the evenhanded and substantive discourse that keeps 'em coming back for more, eh?

07-01-2015, 02:04 PM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2211115	It's been a long time coming. Adiós. It's time for me to bow out. It's been almost 10 years, and I'm tired. Tired of the false narratives. Tired of people arguing the poster instead of the post. Tired of discussing football with people who favor excuses over evidence. Tired of wasting time talking about an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in the lifetime of a college senior. Tired of watching other great posters leaving entirely or posting less, weakening the Football IQ this place was known for 5-10 years ago. I know posting a thread instead of just walking away will open the door for many to take their cheap shots - we all know who they are - and if you don't, just wait. They'll show themselves. Those of you that know me privately know this has been building for a long time. With all that said, I'll say what I've always said: This team has talent, but will continually fall short as long as they keep thinking you can win in the postseason consistently with average QB play. You don't put enough pressure on the opposing defense, and it puts too much pressure on your defense - if they don't have a near-perfect day, you lose. Peters and Conley were great picks and should make an impact in the years to come. Should be fun to watch. (What? According to some, I NEVER say anything positive - just another false narrative) While I doubt he'll get his shot, I'd like to see if Murray can be that franchise guy, or if he fell for reasons other than what people here assume - namely, his height and injury history. Hopefully they get Houston signed long-term, because if they don't they are in deep, deep shit. The defense tends to carry this team, and Houston is the most important cog in said defense. I've made a lot of great friends here that are still friends to this day, and will continue to be. This place was awesome when it was more community based - when there would be gatherings, tailgates, etc. Now, it's littered with trolls that take advantage of the anonymity of the internet and would never show their face in public. That attitude has weakened this place considerably, IMHO. For those of you I call a friend, we'll be in touch. If anyone that isn't already a friend privately or on Facebook/Twitter wants to continue to keep in touch, I'll keep my PM's open for a week or so. Thanks, Kyle. It was fun for a while. Queue the "well, bye/sour grapes" posts in 3...2...1.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1430389	This team had a handful of talent on defense and Jamaal Charles. That was it. Go look at the 2012 roster and you'll see. Our WR's sans Bowe weren't good at all. Our OL sans Hudson and an injury prone Albert wasn't good. Our TE's sucked Our DL was okay Our entire secondary sans Berry and Flowers was absolute garbage. This team had a ton of holes and only a few very talented players. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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