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Old 09-04-2007, 04:33 PM  
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Oh, Herm...you really put your foot in it this time...
Well, this should be fun!

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Now, our offense will have to gel. Will it be a slow-starting? I don’t know. We haven’t played yet. I’ll answer that after we play. When we score seven points I’ll say we’re slow starting. If we score 21 points, I’ll say, ‘whoa, we scored a lot of points.’ 21 points is a lot, 30 points isn’t a football game. That’s Arena Football. We’re talking about real football.”
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:06 PM   #256
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The Colts loss last year wasn't any different than the loss at home in the playoffs during the Vermeil era. Our D looked just as unprepared as our O was last season. And how many years did it take Vermeil to get KC in that situation? It took Herm one season.

Sorry but this Herm bashing is ridiculous
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:08 PM   #257
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Just because a guy has good drafts doesn't mean that he's a good head coach.

The two are completely different aspects.

Teams like the Bengals have drafted quite well the last five years (as far as *talent* evaluation), but their gameday coaches are still subpar, and as a result, they underachieve

Vermeil's staff obviously couldn't evaluate talent for shit, but at least the offensive side was well prepared on gameday.

That Colts game was more embarrassing than any game I've ever witnessed as a Chiefs fan because not only did we come out flat, but neither O or D knew what the fuck to do as far as a gameplan goes.

IF not for Ty Law, we would have lost that game by 45 points.
Post of the thread so far. Furthermore, how do we know that Herm has had a good Chiefs draft? We are all still in the honeymoon/evaluation period of his two drafts.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:09 PM   #258
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The Colts loss last year wasn't any different than the loss at home in the playoffs during the Vermeil era. Our D looked just as unprepared as our O was last season. And how many years did it take Vermeil to get KC in that situation? It took Herm one season.

Sorry but this Herm bashing is ridiculous
This really is a great point, IMO. Rep worthy.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:12 PM   #259
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Just because a guy has good drafts doesn't mean that he's a good head coach.

The two are completely different aspects.

Teams like the Bengals have drafted quite well the last five years (as far as *talent* evaluation), but their gameday coaches are still subpar, and as a result, they underachieve

Vermeil's staff obviously couldn't evaluate talent for shit, but at least the offensive side was well prepared on gameday.

That Colts game was more embarrassing than any game I've ever witnessed as a Chiefs fan because not only did we come out flat, but neither O or D knew what the fuck to do as far as a gameplan goes.

IF not for Ty Law, we would have lost that game by 45 points.
Our Defense did a ****ing fine job against the Colts Offense. The D knew what they were doing. Its just that the Colts Offense was way better then our D. Our offense was a freaking joke no doubt, but our Defense came to play. I wasnt embarrased by that loss at all. The High Scoring shoot out in 2003-2004 was worse. We were the 13-3 seed and we couldnt force a damn punt. IN the Winter, and in freaking KC.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:13 PM   #260
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Trent was/is done. Are you seriously arguing otherwise? It's time for the Chiefs to move on.
Trent was not done when Terry Shea was let go. You really don't get it?
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:15 PM   #261
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Trent was not done when Terry Shea was let go. You really don't get it?
Trent was done immediately following the playoff loss. It was time to move on.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:26 PM   #262
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# of times a team scored 30 plus on KC in DV's last year = 3.
# of times a team scored 30 plus on KC last year = 3.
Facts. Them's some pesky little mo-fo's.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:31 PM   #263
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That Colts game was more embarrassing than any game I've ever witnessed as a Chiefs fan
Oh really? I can think of a few more embarrassing performances than that one against far worse teams than the Colts. The Colts were the SB champions last year and proved they were the better team. No shame in losing to those guys.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:32 PM   #264
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Oh really? I can think of a few more embarrassing performances than that one. Remember, this is the Chiefs we are talking about...
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:33 PM   #265
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I don't think Herm messed with the offense much at all last year. With Huard at QB and without a left tackle there's no way they could have run the same plays as before. The only game I really put on Herm from an offensive standpoint is game 2 against Denver.....that was a bit conservative.

I still don't really think he's jacked with the offense as much as people think. Solari is still running the Saunders offense....he might not use as large a volume of plays or be calling as wide a variety of plays but the offense is still the same.

Honestly I feel the DV offense could've been even better had they cut down on the volume of plays. Solari had this weird thing about never running the same play twice over a 6 game span. That's a bit much IMO and just leads to brain overload which is why young players couldn't play in that system.
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You're like Jim's Mini-Me.
hahah...sometimes....i much more of a realist though. Its neither as bad as most people like Jim make it out to be, nor is it as good as alot of us wish it was.

Its somewhere perfectly in Carl Peterson 7-9 to 9-7 land.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:38 PM   #267
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hahah...sometimes....i much more of a realist though. Its neither as bad as most people like Jim make it out to be, nor is it as good as alot of us wish it was.

Its somewhere perfectly in Carl Peterson 7-9 to 9-7 land.
Pretty much.

I tend to think it's setting us up for brighter days, though.

You can't rebuild without taking a step back, and I wouldn't be surprised at 6-10.

I just like where things are going.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:42 PM   #268
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Pretty much.

I tend to think it's setting us up for brighter days, though.

You can't rebuild without taking a step back, and I wouldn't be surprised at 6-10.

I just like where things are going.
Agreed. I love what hes done with the defense. and he did give Brodie his shot but he failed overall. I still have hopes he will come around.

People act as if he doesnt want to score points, but come on...what coach doesnt want to score? Thats just asinine.

He may not be the best game day offensive strategist, but hes a heck of a scout, motivator and talent evaluator.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Agreed. I love what hes done with the defense. and he did give Brodie his shot but he failed overall. I still have hopes he will come around.

People act as if he doesnt want to score points, but come on...what coach doesnt want to score? Thats just asinine.

He may not be the best game day offensive strategist, but hes a heck of a scout, motivator and talent evaluator.
I agree with everything you said there.

Herm wants to score as many points as possible. He's making a point to his team. If we put up 21.. that's a win. If we put up 21 and lose... that's on the D.

We're a defensive team now... get used to it, and step the **** up.
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I agree with everything you said there.

Herm wants to score as many points as possible. He's making a point to his team. If we put up 21.. that's a win. If we put up 21 and lose... that's on the D.

We're a defensive team now... get used to it, and step the **** up.
Agreed. All hes trying to say is he wants a balanced team. Balance wins championships.


Teams that win 45-43 shootouts are fun to watch (currently the Bengals), but very rarely win championships.

The Colts didnt win a championship until they manned up and brought the D.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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