Royals KK wrong about success of ASG - Page 18

KingPriest2 · 07-11-2012, 02:39 PM

Remember when we were awarded the ASG and KK said that KC will be a embarrassment? Then last summer a article in SI had a player talking about coming here and some players weren't sure. KK took off with that as ammo saying we shouldn't host the game?

Now he s saying that he expected it

-King- · 07-12-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Yes. It means less than winning. I think that's a given. Can we please stop beating this straw man?

Yup.

So how do you explain the Houston situation. New downtown stadium in the 4th largest city in the US. Bars all around. Why is it that their attendance is so terrible?

**dirk digler** · 07-12-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Go look at the satellite view. There is plenty of space to put in whatever the hell.

I did. Where else are you seeing space?

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Yup.

So how do you explain the Houston situation. New downtown stadium in the 4th largest city in the US. Bars all around. Why is it that their attendance is so terrible?

Lack of parking.

**Dartgod** · 07-12-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Yup.

So how do you explain the Houston situation. New downtown stadium in the 4th largest city in the US. Bars all around. Why is it that their attendance is so terrible?

Because Saul is a straw man and in search of a brain?

milkman · 07-12-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Every fan base is spread out across hundreds of miles. That doesn't mean that you just say "**** it" and stick the stadium in the most god-forsaken part of that territory.

...if you're not Kansas City, I mean. If you're Kansas City, that's exactly what you do because there's a big parking lot there.

Yes every fan base is spread out.

But they call KC a small market for reason.

Can you guess what that reason is?

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yes every fan base is spread out.

But they call KC a small market for reason.

Can you guess what that reason is?

Because people like to make excuses for losing.

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

Because Saul is a straw man and in search of a brain?

Perhaps they should have put the stadium in the middle of a high crime, blighted area on the outskirts of the city instead. That would solve the attendance problem.

milkman · 07-12-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Because people like to make excuses for losing.

JFC, you are this ****ing stupid.

We aren't talking about winning and losing you dipshit.

We're talking about people showing up.

It's a small market because there are far fewer people in the metropolitan area than a New York, or LA, or Chicago.

It's far more important for a team like the Royals to attract the fan from 100 miles away than it is for the Yankees.

The way to do that is to provide a winning product,

Brock · 07-12-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I did. Where else are you seeing space?

Other side of the cutoff.

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

JFC, you are this ****ing stupid.

We aren't talking about winning and losing you dipshit.

We're talking about people showing up.

It's a small market because there are far fewer people in the metropolitan area than a New York, or LA, or Chicago.

It's far more important for a team like the Royals to attract the fan from 100 miles away than it is for the Yankees.

The way to do that is to provide a winning product,

Thanks for convincing me that winning helps. I had been arguing that winning doesn't help, so it's good of you to set me straight.

Explain to me how putting a stadium in the middle of nowhere attracts visitors from a hundred miles away better than a stadium where the Kaufman center is would. Is it the lure of staying at the Drury Inn? The ability to visit the saddest miniature golf course and worst water park in the country in a single afternoon in Cool Crest and Coco Keys?

That's way better than coming into town, staying at the Hotel Phillips, seeing a game at a downtown stadium, going to Power and Light, seeing a concert at Sprint Center, having a meal at the Plaza, checking out an indie art gallery in the crossroads, having a picnic at Loose Park, etc. all within a $15 cab ride.

**kysirsoze** · 07-12-2012, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

There's no room to build anything because it's crammed full of emptiness.

This thread has to be the most entertaining discussion of stadium location I've read in a while.

**007** · 07-12-2012, 10:04 PM

parking for sprint center is a pain in the ass. Lets try to bring in 13-30k more people 81 times per year and really piss them off.

Whether you like it or not, the average fan is going to choose the parking and tailgating over being in bars before and after games. Getting in and out quickly without having to navigate all the downtown one way streets is a huge plus as well.

Don't forget the down economy either. People don't want to have to spend MORE money to come to a game. Maybe the downtown elites with their expense account will maybe they won't but I wouldn't bet the bank on it.

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

parking for sprint center is a pain in the ass. Lets try to bring in 13-30k more people 81 times per year and really piss them off.

Whether you like it or not, the average fan is going to choose the parking and tailgating over being in bars before and after games. Getting in and out quickly without having to navigate all the downtown one way streets is a huge plus as well.

Don't forget the down economy either. People don't want to have to spend MORE money to come to a game. Maybe the downtown elites with their expense account will maybe they won't but I wouldn't bet the bank on it.

If that's true, then we should be seeing a trend of stadiums built in the middle of nowhere...nothing but an interstate to be seen.

By the way, 50,000 people go to downtown Kansas City every weekday around 8:00 AM.

**007** · 07-12-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

If that's true, then we should be seeing a trend of stadiums built in the middle of nowhere...nothing but an interstate to be seen.

By the way, 50,000 people go to downtown Kansas City every weekday around 8:00 AM.

a WHOLE 50,000? What percentage of them do you really think are going to go to a ball game at the end of the day.

EDIT

Every city is different. What works in one does not always work in another. More than a majority of the fanbase don't like this idea based on what I have heard and read over the past few years of it being discussed.

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

a WHOLE 50,000? What percentage of them do you really think are going to go to a ball game at the end of the day.

EDIT

Every city is different. What works in one does not always work in another. More than a majority of the fanbase don't like this idea based on what I have heard and read over the past few years of it being discussed.

Um, if 50,000 people can come downtown and park for work, 30,000 can come downtown and park for a game.

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