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Old 04-03-2016, 09:48 AM  
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And so it begins: The Royals' second straight attempt to repeat as AL Champions, and first attempt to repeat as World Series champions.

In this thread, we'll track all non-gameday action. Roster moves, prospect news, etc.

I'll start the thread as usual, with division rivals thoughts. I still like KC to repeat as AL Central champs. Here's how I see the rest of it shaking out:

2) Indians - they have the pitching (and seem to have at least semi-Kluber-ed Cody Anderson, who added 3 mph to his fastball in the offseason). Will the offense hold up? I think this is a team that ends up looking a lot like the 2014 Royals. Francisco Lindor will solidify their IF defense over the full season, and is a help with the bat. I think this club is still a year away from really breaking through - the offense still has a lot of question marks - but I like them to nab a wildcard spot.

Key Player(s): Michael Brantley. When Brantley returns - and how he hits when he does - will be critical to the Indians' ability to be good enough on offense.

Jason Kipnis. Kipnis has been an enigmatic offensive performer for the past several years. If he finally has a good offensive campaign from start to finish, Cleveland could make real noise.

Something of interest to me: For all the acclaim the Twins' farm system gets, I look at the Indians young players, and would much rather have them. Brad Zimmer is going to be a very good all-around CF. Clint Frazier has huge power potential and should arrive soon (2017). Lindor is a young stud.

3) Tigers - Old and dependent on a few stars. If Verlander and Sanchez are healthy and effective, they will be playoff contenders. I'm sure JD Martinez will continue to hit roid-aided bombs. I'm also pretty sure Victor Martinez's days as a huge power threat are gone.

Key player: Justin Verlander. Detroit people would have you believe he figured out how to succeed without his big fastball in September of last year. If that's true, and he returns to dominant form, Detroit will likely contend again.

Something of interest to me: Will Jose Iglesias stay healthy and not try to kill teammates in the dugout? His defense makes the whole group much better.

4) Twins - They won't lead the division or be in playoff contention for as long this year, but Minnesota will avoid the cellar.

Key Player: Miguel Sano. Huge power, huge K rate. Can he continue to drive the ball and be a plus offensive player? Probably needs to cut that 35 percent K percentage to do so.

Something of interest to me: Will teams challenge Sano inside with hard stuff? Working away, away, just lets his power play up. Also - will Mike Berardino continue to be the biggest beat writer homer in MLB?

5) White Sox - still managed by a shitty manager who can't control his clubhouse (The blame for the LaRoche thing really should fall on him, not the GM). Still have a shitty overall defense and a lot of douchebags on the team. They will once again look better on paper than they actually perform.

Key player: Carlos Rodon. The White Sox need Rodon to take a big step forward to make an actual move this season. He's got the talent...

And, as always, here are the prospects.

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Old 07-07-2016, 09:28 AM   #2731
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I noticed Alex gets a free pass around here for being total garbage. Weird. 18M for a AAAA level guy. Could've had Eibner get 1-2 war for free
No one responding to your usual drivel doesn't mean he gets a free pass.
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Old 07-07-2016, 09:53 AM   #2732
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I noticed Alex gets a free pass around here for being total garbage. Weird. 18M for a AAAA level guy. Could've had Eibner get 1-2 war for free


Agreed he has been shit. No free pass from me.

I'm hoping that he has a fantastic 2nd half or that's wasted money.




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Old 07-07-2016, 09:54 AM   #2733
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In hindsight we definitely should've spent the money on Kennedy, Gordon, and Soria for a top of the line rotation guy.


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Old 07-07-2016, 10:07 AM   #2734
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Gordon has given nothing offensively hope he gets going ..Dyson sucks too. I'd rather see Eibner in the OF than Dyson since he can produce some offense
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Old 07-07-2016, 10:12 AM   #2735
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I don't think it was luck. Dayton is a good GM. I do believe, however, that he absolutely out-smarted himself into thinking he could manage the season with Medlen and Young both being in the starting rotation. I also think that he way over-valued Gordon's presence on this team. That 4-year deal was friendly to KC, but he's a luxury we can't afford. His great Defensive play can't make up for a shitty starting rotation combined with his awful offensive production.
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Old 07-07-2016, 10:39 AM   #2736
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Signing Gordon sold tickets, so it helped from a business sense. There was already a lot of hand wringing about Glass being cheap after two World Series appearances because it looked like the team's fan favorite would walk. It seemed like the Royals people were telling guys like McCullough, Mellinger that they weren't going to sign him. Once they did, it felt like we had a good offseason.

I think he's going to have a tough year... just because of the wrist injury. Seems like guys never recover from those quickly, especially when he wasn't hitting already. But there does come a time where you have to make tough decisions. I think they're going to let Cain walk for that reason, even though it'll be really unpopular. I don't think Gordon is sunk cost though. The reason it made some sense to re-sign him was because he keeps himself in amazing shape, and he works harder than anyone on the team. He doesn't have to be washed up at only 32.
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Old 07-07-2016, 10:47 AM   #2737
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Old 07-07-2016, 10:53 AM   #2738
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I don't think it was luck. Dayton is a good GM. I do believe, however, that he absolutely out-smarted himself into thinking he could manage the season with Medlen and Young both being in the starting rotation. I also think that he way over-valued Gordon's presence on this team. That 4-year deal was friendly to KC, but he's a luxury we can't afford. His great Defensive play can't make up for a shitty starting rotation combined with his awful offensive production.
I think he was relying on Medlan. No one could believe that Young was the solution. That is more a circumstance of he was what we have given payroll limitations. At best he was / is a bandaid they hoped to use as a stopgap and eyeing an arm at the trade deadline.

He was brought back to be a stopgap bullpen asset. They didn't all of a sudden have some renewed faith in him being able to shoulder a spot in the rotation and hold up. Circumstances forced their hand to make do, and he has gotten worked over in a role he would never be an asset to the team as.
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Signing Gordon sold tickets, so it helped from a business sense. There was already a lot of hand wringing about Glass being cheap after two World Series appearances because it looked like the team's fan favorite would walk. It seemed like the Royals people were telling guys like McCullough, Mellinger that they weren't going to sign him. Once they did, it felt like we had a good offseason.

I think he's going to have a tough year... just because of the wrist injury. Seems like guys never recover from those quickly, especially when he wasn't hitting already. But there does come a time where you have to make tough decisions. I think they're going to let Cain walk for that reason, even though it'll be really unpopular. I don't think Gordon is sunk cost though. The reason it made some sense to re-sign him was because he keeps himself in amazing shape, and he works harder than anyone on the team. He doesn't have to be washed up at only 32.
I don't believe he's washed up at 32. I believe exactly what I wrote - he's a luxury we can't afford. You can't spend $18MM/yr on an offensively unproductive corner outfielder and piece meal a starting rotation together. His D doesn't make up for an awful rotation. It would help if he were on top of his game offensively, but he hasn't been that for a while. Last night, he had some of the worst AB's I have ever seen from him. The one with Esky on 3B and 1 out was inexcusable for a guy with his experience. So bad, that Hud appeared that he wanted to run down from the booth and scold AG in person. I like AG, but I'd like him better if he were a front line starting pitcher.

I do agree that they will most likely let Cain walk in '17, and that's probably the right thing to do. Maybe, by the grace of God, Bubba gets it figured out in Omaha, and he's ready to man that spot in '18. Highly doubtful, but stranger things have happened. He'll be 25 at the start of the '18 season, so maybe his maturity will catch up with his athleticism.
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I think the biggest fear about re-signing Gordon was that his DEFENSE would decline rapidly, and with it a lot of his value. There was talk about moving him to 1B after Hosmer left.

I don't know if anyone expected his bat to go in the crapper so soon. I think most figured he could still OPS around .750 for 2-3 years. And he still might. But he's been utterly atrocious at the plate this year, particularly the extreme spike in strikeouts, which is both alarming and mystifying. He was never that bad when he was ... bad.

The wrist may hamper his ability to climb out of this, but he was this bad before the injury too. Hopefully he'll pull a Morales and do a 180 -- soon.
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Signing Gordon sold tickets, so it helped from a business sense. There was already a lot of hand wringing about Glass being cheap after two World Series appearances because it looked like the team's fan favorite would walk. It seemed like the Royals people were telling guys like McCullough, Mellinger that they weren't going to sign him. Once they did, it felt like we had a good offseason.

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In hindsight we definitely should've spent the money on Kennedy, Gordon, and Soria for a top of the line rotation guy.
We could have re-signed Cueto and Zobrist for the same money we spent on those three. Granted, there would be a couple more expensive years towards the end of those deals.

I think it's fair to say substituting Kennedy with Cueto in the rotation would be an upgrade and Zobrist at the top of the lineup instead of Gordon would have made the offense more consistent. In spite of injuries, I think the Royals would have been okay w/o Soria and his 8 mil. a year.

Whit is coming back down to earth. Dyson in left, although not a long term replacement, would have made a capable defensive replacement for Gordon.


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I think he was relying on Medlan. No one could believe that Young was the solution. That is more a circumstance of he was what we have given payroll limitations. At best he was / is a bandaid they hoped to use as a stopgap and eyeing an arm at the trade deadline.

He was brought back to be a stopgap bullpen asset. They didn't all of a sudden have some renewed faith in him being able to shoulder a spot in the rotation and hold up. Circumstances forced their hand to make do, and he has gotten worked over in a role he would never be an asset to the team as.
Young's contract NEVER made sense. He was a minimal salary guy last season, which was fine. Anything more than that didn't make sense.

The Gordon signing was going to be problematic to a team like the Royals, even if he maintained his production.
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