Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 19

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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soundmind · 11-11-2009, 11:03 PM

You know, I really like Cassel. I do. But I have to admit, this statistic is one that just makes me want to cry...

I clicked on that Brandon Carr thread, checked out the site and found the stats on Matty Tassles quite disturbing.

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2009 To-Date:

Drop backs: 267 (only 226 of which translated to an attempted pass)
Sacks: 26 (plus 15 "rushing" plays)
Thrown Away: 4
Hit as he Threw: 8
QB Rating: 77.2

***Yards per Attempt: 5.6
(which is in the company of Seneca Wallace, Marc Bulger, Kerry Collins, and finally, JaFatass)

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***I personally think this stat tells you a lot about a QB, and even more about their team and coaching.

**BossChief** · 11-11-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Iff Brodee Croil were qb the Cheeifs wood be 12-4 cuz he so good.
Posted via Mobile Device

You spell as well as you can think.

ba dum pshhhh

**DeezNutz** · 11-11-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I actually think Bowe profiles to be Michael Irvin without a crack habit.

I have this mental image of Irvin having glue for hands...

But this could be more myth/me than fact.

**BossChief** · 11-11-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

You know, I really like Cassel. I do. But I have to admit, this statistic is one that just makes me want to cry...

I clicked on that Brandon Carr thread, checked out the site and found the stats on Matty Tassles quite disturbing.

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League Rankings:

Drop backs: 267 (only 226 of which translated to an attempted pass)
Sacks: 26 (plus 15 "rushing" plays)
Thrown Away: 4
Hit as he Threw: 8
QB Rating: 77.2

***Yards per Attempt: 5.6
(which is in the company of Seneca Wallace, Marc Bulger, Kerry Collins, and finally, JaFatass)

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***I personally think this stat tells you a lot about a QB, and even more about their team and coaching.

I might have to go look up who it was giving me a hard time about saying he doesnt get hit while throwing too much, instead eats the ball and goes down.

He has only gotten hit 8 times while throwing out of 226 passes.

Those numbers really tell the tale.

Id like a breakdown of how much production he has through three quarters as opposed to the fourth. I bet it's lopsided as all beat hell.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-11-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I might have to go look up who it was giving me a hard time about saying he doesnt get hit while throwing too much, instead eats the ball and goes down.

He has only gotten hit 8 times while throwing out of 226 passes.

Those numbers really tell the tale.

Id like a breakdown of how much production he has through three quarters as opposed to the fourth. I bet it's lopsided as all beat hell.

I'm not a statistician.

But almost all of us know that stat isn't right. No matter which side of the Cassel fence you're on.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-11-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

The player Bowe is the most comparable to is Sterling Sharpe.

So now we're overhyping other players to get a jab in at Cassel?

Because right now, Bowe reminds me of another guy who's on our roster. Chris Chambers. A guy who makes a bunch of spectacular plays, but can't be counted on to consistently make the routine ones. Maybe he's underperforming because Cassel isn't hitting him quick enough. Or maybe he's just not as good without Tony Gonzalez taking away all the attention.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-11-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

not.

gonna.

happen.

then.

we're.

****ed.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-11-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It ain't gonna happen with Ari Fleischer as GM

Separated at afterbirth?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-11-2009, 11:39 PM

Get off John Stossel's back, yo'

**BossChief** · 11-11-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm not a statistician.

But almost all of us know that stat isn't right. No matter which side of the Cassel fence you're on.

I thought it was a little to good to be true, but I am taking it at face value till it is debunked.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-12-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Get off John Stossel's back, yo'

soundmind · 11-12-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I thought it was a little to good to be true, but I am taking it at face value till it is debunked.

Yeah, I can't vouch for the source by any means, but the site is accurate on the percentage completed and att/comp numbers, so....whatever. I'm kind of in the same boat. I just read all those and found them interesting. It's really not a complete damnation of Cassel though, those numbers, specifically the per attempt number is indicitive of the offense, not just him, and that stat is accurate.

To this WR conversation though...

DBowe is not Irvin, he's not Chambers, he's not Sharpe (the packer, not the bewbiwabewbiwafoobawz one). He's Dwayne Bowe, and I want to ask all the D-BO-SHOW lovers a quick one...

Can your boy get open in 3 yards?

That's not a slam either, that's a legitimate question for two reasons.

First, that's all the time Cassel has to get it there. There, the obligatory is out of the way. Everyone knows and there's nothing we can do really. But everyone knows that without better protection, we're reduced to 1-step drops from the gun. Only crazy mobility in a constant bootleg could survive this joke of a line. Prime of his career Steve Young is the only guy I can think of who could pull it off. Point: This much suck is a team effort.

Secondly, because that's how long it takes Reggie Wayne to get open. And because that's how long it takes Andre Johnson to get open. Used to say the same for Ochocinco, sometimes you still can...And the same goes for a host of others that have walked before DBowe's path. To anyone who claims DBowe is an elite WR in the NFL, I have to disagree. If you ask me, he has a lot of potential, but needs just as much work as anyone if he's to realize any of it. I like him, but he's too slow. This entire corp of wideouts needs to be focusing on that in my opinion - the art of getting the fuck open. You ever notice how guys like Wayne just play on a different field than the guy defending them? Again, just my opinion, but that is the mark of an elite WR.

2 more of my frustrated cents.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-12-2009, 01:23 AM

One of the things that we need to start doing is hitting Bowe on quick slants. Of course that demands that Cassel have both proper footwork and accuracy on the quick patterns.

Once you establish the slants, then you can't start to go with double moves.

soundmind · 11-12-2009, 01:27 AM

Also, Cassel needs to get through the progression faster. He's waiting for guys. You can't wait, he's either open or he's not. Throw the ball or find someone else, those are the options.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-12-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

One of the things that we need to start doing is hitting Bowe on quick slants. Of course that demands that Cassel have both proper footwork and accuracy on the quick patterns.

Once you establish the slants, then you can't start to go with double moves.

Oldest play in the book, and we can't/won't execute the mother****er.
Infuriating.

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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11-11-2009, 11:03 PM	#271
soundmind EB:29 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10004900	You know, I really like Cassel. I do. But I have to admit, this statistic is one that just makes me want to cry... I clicked on that Brandon Carr thread, checked out the site and found the stats on Matty Tassles quite disturbing. ------------------------------- *2009 To-Date:* Drop backs: 267 (only 226 of which translated to an attempted pass) Sacks: 26 (plus 15 "rushing" plays) Thrown Away: 4 Hit as he Threw: 8 QB Rating: 77.2 **Yards per Attempt: 5.6 (which is in the company of Seneca Wallace, Marc Bulger, Kerry Collins, and finally, JaFatass)* ------------------------------- ***I personally think this stat tells you a lot about a QB, and even more about their team and coaching.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7209572	One of the things that we need to start doing is hitting Bowe on quick slants. Of course that demands that Cassel have both proper footwork and accuracy on the quick patterns. Once you establish the slants, then you can't start to go with double moves. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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11-12-2009, 01:27 AM	#284
soundmind EB:29 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10004900	Also, Cassel needs to get through the progression faster. He's waiting for guys. You can't wait, he's either open or he's not. Throw the ball or find someone else, those are the options.
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