Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 19

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

Marcellus · 07-21-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Jay_GlazerJay Glazer

Players gave owners some counters, didn't hear back regarding them and also didn"t like timeline of re-certifying and enacting certain rules

In other words they are still working on it.

Deal will be done by Monday.

**alnorth** · 07-21-2011, 06:50 PM

I believe this is a done deal. One NFLPA source said something like "are we happy? No. Is it worth walking away? Probably not"

The NFL had to give in on so many things and the players won so many concessions, to me, with the two sides being so close and only tiny issues remaining to be negotiated, this was one little face-saving power move so the owners can feel good about forcing the players to give up at least a bit in the end.

With the lockout insurance and the likely lawsuit win, the players have demonstrated that they can stick it out if they were far apart, but they are so close now, I bet they pout a day, then say "well, F it, good enough".

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Why the **** would the owners do that? Important issues that haven't been negotiated or issues that have been negotiated but left out for some reason?

It did seem kinda odd to me that the owners voted 31-0...like the it was too good to be true.

I think it was Scott Hanson on NFLN who talked to an owner after the vote, said "congratulations," and the owner said, "we'll see."

For a 31-0 vote, it didn't seem like many smiling faces left the room, according to reports.

I think they knew this wasn't going to a vote.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

I believe this is a done deal. One NFLPA source said something like "are we happy? No. Is it worth walking away? Probably not"

The NFL had to give in on so many things and the players won so many concessions, to me, with the two sides being so close and only tiny issues remaining to be negotiated, this was one little face-saving power move so the owners can feel good about forcing the players to give up at least a bit in the end.

With the lockout insurance and the likely lawsuit win, the players have demonstrated that they can stick it out if they were far apart, but they are so close now, I bet they pout a day, then say "well, F it, good enough".

Yep.

It'll get done, just not likely tonight.

It's a negotiation, folks. Shit like this happens.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 06:53 PM

I got a feeling we gonna loss some games now.

BryanBusby · 07-21-2011, 06:53 PM

It's cool though guys, Laz thinks it's all just a CONSPIRACY THEORY

JD10367 · 07-21-2011, 06:53 PM

So, 274 posts later, I have to eat my words and admit that douchebag Ron Borges might've been closer to the truth than usual. ****.

**Dave Lane** · 07-21-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.

This was a power play by the owners to try to get a CBA passed with language that wasn't part of the negotiations. Sounds like the owners made changes to the players last offer, and ratified it without running it by players.

Apparently the owners sent over an incomplete settlement.

The players will balk, and look like the bad guy.

****ing douche nozzle owners! If this is true it's the stupidest ****ing thing I have ever heard. For ****s sake don't change shit at the last minute and not expect it to blow up in you face. Are these owners like 12 years old?

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 06:54 PM

I'm giving this another week. With the Myra Kraft Funeral I doubt the owners vote again tomorow. They're probably all flying out tonight.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 06:54 PM

If anyone here wants to get pissed, get pissed at the owners.

Can't fault the players here, IMO.

**SAUTO** · 07-21-2011, 06:54 PM

Be done by saturday id say.
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

So, 274 posts later, I have to eat my words and admit that douchebag Ron Borges might've been closer to the truth than usual. ****.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If anyone here wants to get pissed, get pissed at the owners.

Can't fault the players here, IMO.

agree

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Be done by saturday id say.
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That's what I'm guessing.

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That's what I'm guessing.

Rich people don't work on Saturdays.

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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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