It's been a long time coming. Adiós.

[OnTheWarpath15]

It's time for me to bow out. It's been almost 10 years, and I'm tired.

Tired of the false narratives. Tired of people arguing the poster instead of the post. Tired of discussing football with people who favor excuses over evidence. Tired of wasting time talking about an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in the lifetime of a college senior. Tired of watching other great posters leaving entirely or posting less, weakening the Football IQ this place was known for 5-10 years ago.

I know posting a thread instead of just walking away will open the door for many to take their cheap shots - we all know who they are - and if you don't, just wait. They'll show themselves. Those of you that know me privately know this has been building for a long time.

With all that said, I'll say what I've always said: This team has talent, but will continually fall short as long as they keep thinking you can win in the postseason consistently with average QB play. You don't put enough pressure on the opposing defense, and it puts too much pressure on your defense - if they don't have a near-perfect day, you lose.

Peters and Conley were great picks and should make an impact in the years to come. Should be fun to watch. (What? According to some, I NEVER say anything positive - just another false narrative) While I doubt he'll get his shot, I'd like to see if Murray can be that franchise guy, or if he fell for reasons other than what people here assume - namely, his height and injury history. Hopefully they get Houston signed long-term, because if they don't they are in deep, deep shit. The defense tends to carry this team, and Houston is the most important cog in said defense.

I've made a lot of great friends here that are still friends to this day, and will continue to be. This place was awesome when it was more community based - when there would be gatherings, tailgates, etc. Now, it's littered with trolls that take advantage of the anonymity of the internet and would never show their face in public. That attitude has weakened this place considerably, IMHO.

For those of you I call a friend, we'll be in touch. If anyone that isn't already a friend privately or on Facebook/Twitter wants to continue to keep in touch, I'll keep my PM's open for a week or so.

Thanks, Kyle. It was fun for a while. Queue the "well, bye/sour grapes" posts in 3...2...1.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Funny, that tends to happen when people post epic dipshittery, post after post after post after post.

The irony of a guy dismissing the substance off the offseason's improvements in saying the team will just tread water, then turning around and saying that people aren't paying attention to the substance of his post shouldn't be lost on anyone.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The irony of a guy dismissing the substance off the offseason's improvements in saying the team will just tread water, then turning around and saying that people aren't paying attention to the substance of his post shouldn't be lost on anyone.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

An Alex Smith team that had less talent than this one was a muffed punt away from a Super Bowl.

Whoa..

[BossChief]

We lost

Bowe
Hudson
McGlynn

We gained

Maclin
Grubbs
Branch
Derrick Johnson
Mike Devito

A strong rookie class consisting of

Peters (best CB in last 4 drafts)
Morse (Mayock called the pick and said he's a 10 year starter)
Conley (comic book quality athlete)
Nelson (perfect scrapper for nickel)


The improvement of this group

Fisher
Gaines
Kelce
Ford
Wilson

I think were gonna see a real contender show more and more of itself as the season goes on and if Houston's here all year, I see us having a chance at HFA kinda year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I won't blanket say that AS can't be a part of SB team but he won't be the main reason why. It will require the defense to carry the team most likely because he is just not going to change who is.

But I am willing to be that the Chiefs won't sniff a SB with AS as the QB.

That's not what Chiefs Country said.

He said they cannot be a Super Bowl contender with Alex Smith at QB. That's absurd.

As to what bet I'd be willing to make - really? You're saying that in a 'Chiefs vs. the field' bet that you'd take the field? Well man, that's going out on a limb right there.

I've said this before, I'll say it again - the odds overwhelmingly suggest that the Chiefs won't win a SB this year. There are 32 teams and only 1 of them win the damn thing. But again, I'd take the field over every single team in football and there are only 3 teams in the AFC who's odds should be appreciably better than KCs. Even that's arguable - for instance, if our D is as good as it can be, then our D is as good as Pitt's O - is our O better than Pitt's D? I think it is. We have no idea what Manning will be.

To blast Boss for saying the Chiefs are building a potential SB team while saying 'eh, the Chiefs can't win shit with Alex Smith' is just the highest of hypocrisy. It's dogmatic, worthless garbage that does a hell of a lot more to turn posters off than acknowledging that Dorsey's done some damn good things with this team over the last 2+ seasons and there's reason to suggest he can continue doing so.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

We lost

Bowe
Hudson
McGlynn

We gained

Maclin
Grubbs
Branch
Derrick Johnson
Mike Devito

A strong rookie class consisting of

Peters (best CB in last 4 drafts)
Morse (Mayock called the pick and said he's a 10 year starter)
Conley (comic book quality athlete)
Nelson (perfect scrapper for nickel)


The improvement of this group

Fisher
Gaines
Kelce
Ford
Wilson

I think were gonna see a real contender show more and more of itself as the season goes on and if Houston's here all year, I see us having a chance at HFA kinda year.

Discuss Thrower will not read this because he has all the answers. Then he'll accuse you of blasting the poster not the content.

Don't worry though because I think I've covered the 'blast his content' stage.

[Eleazar]

DJ is doing work in this thread

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

And here is the stupid shit that drives posters away.

Hahaha

Originally Posted by tk13

I don't think Alex Smith is as good as Russell Wilson. The real argument is that Alex Smith has actually played pretty well in the playoffs when he got there. He played out of his mind against the Colts, regardless of the people who want to blame the offense for that loss.

And when he was with San Francisco he went toe to toe in an offensive shootout with Brees and won. And not only that, threw a clutch TD pass with seconds to go for the win. There are a lot of QBs who never do either of those things in the playoffs.

Does that mean he can repeat it again? I don't know. He may not. But I don't think he's Matt Cassel either, and that's how he's treated on this board. Anyone who says this is a homer-filled board is full of it.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Discuss Thrower will not read this because he has all the answers. Then he'll accuse you of blasting the poster not the content.

Don't worry though because I think I've covered the 'blast his content' stage.

Who cares what that guy says?

Hes on the level of blackbob.

[The Franchise]

For every Discuss Thrower.....there is a SeeingRed.

For every Inmem.....there is a RunKC.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's not what Chiefs Country said.

He said they cannot be a Super Bowl contender with Alex Smith at QB. That's absurd.

As to what bet I'd be willing to make - really? You're saying that in a 'Chiefs vs. the field' bet that you'd take the field? Well man, that's going out on a limb right there.

I've said this before, I'll say it again - the odds overwhelmingly suggest that the Chiefs won't win a SB this year. There are 32 teams and only 1 of them win the damn thing. But again, I'd take the field over every single team in football and there are only 3 teams in the AFC who's odds should be appreciably better than KCs. Even that's arguable - for instance, if our D is as good as it can be, then our D is as good as Pitt's O - is our O better than Pitt's D? I think it is. We have no idea what Manning will be.

To blast Boss for saying the Chiefs are building a potential SB team while saying 'eh, the Chiefs can't win shit with Alex Smith' is just the highest of hypocrisy. It's dogmatic, worthless garbage that does a hell of a lot more to turn posters off than acknowledging that Dorsey's done some damn good things with this team over the last 2+ seasons and there's reason to suggest he can continue doing so.

I don't think it is absurd. I think he is mostly correct. I think the days of a Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson being a bystander QB while the D does it all are long gone. As a QB you have to make big plays. Now we have seen AS do it but he hasn't done it on a consistent basis like the best QB's in the NFL do. All you have to do is look at last year and him not throwing 1 TD to a WR. I don't think that had ever happened in NFL history. He is just to risk averse IMHO.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't think it is absurd. I think he is mostly correct. I think the days of a Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson being a bystander QB while the D does it all are long gone. As a QB you have to make big plays. Now we have seen AS do it but he hasn't done it on a consistent basis like the best QB's in the NFL do. All you have to do is look at last year and him not throwing 1 TD to a WR. I don't think that had ever happened in NFL history. He is just to risk averse IMHO.

Except for in 2013 when Russell Wilson was a bystander to a SB championship.

Wilson developed into a better QB in '14 than he was in '13, no question. And at this point I do think he's a better QB than Smith because he is more aggressive.

But we're literally 18 months removed from the Seahawks D dragging Wilson to a SB championship. The first two rounds of the playoffs were Seattle's D doing serious work while Wilson largely spun his wheels. And against the Broncos are you really going to try to say that the savage beating the D put on Manning and crew isn't why they won that championship?

One. Season. Ago.

That's not ancient history, fellas. If the 2013 Seahawks can win a Super Bowl with Wilson's exceedingly mediocre performance, the Chiefs can absolutely do so in 2015. And if the 2014 Seahawks can lose in the SB despite improved play from their QB in 2014, then perhaps we should stop acting like the QB is the only thing that matters or that failing to win a SB is an indictment on a team at large.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What in the actual ****?

Really? So to stay the same as last year, Grubbs and Maclin would need to provide NO improvement over McGlynn and Bowe. DJ will have to provide NO improvement over Mauga. Peters and/or Gaines will have to provide NO improvement over the Fleming/Cooper duo (oh, and Fleming can't improve either). DeVito will have to provide NOTHING. Fulton, Morse, Allen AND Stephenson will have to either show no improvement or not be better than Ryan Harris was last season. Kelce will have to show no growth. Wilson will have to be worse than Avery/Hemmingway. Ford will have to show no growth. Fisher will have to show no growth.

We declined in one single area - Hudson. One spot. We added talent in several key spots and can expect some development in others

So you are certain that a WR corps of Maclin/Avant/Wilson/Conley/Thomas/Hammond(Hemingway) is going to be a marked improvement over Bowe/Avery/Avant/Wilson/Jenkins/Hammond/Hemingway to the tune of an extra 500-750 yards of receiving and an additional 6-10 touchdowns over last year en route to two or more wins?


That's what I'm talking about: Wilson and Conley could be outstanding receivers but neither have proven that in the NFL yet. And given Reid's overly complicated offense, it's going to take time for both of them to get to the level beyond being a JAG type of receiver. To say unequivocally that "These guys are going to be AWESOME as guys in their second or first year" is sheer speculation. That shouldn't be too unfair to say. If they chip in a touchdown here and there along with combine for 500+ yards that'd be great. But that's a leap to count on that production given their college background and the fact that Conley hasn't even played a down of NFL-level ball yet.

So, it shouldn't be too ****ing hard to see it from my perspective that there are really two downfield threats on the team: Maclin and Kelce. Again, how is that demonstrably better than the previous season? It is only if you think the difference in Maclin's athleticism and playing style is going to translate to 250+ yards over Bowe's number from last year. Fact is, Maclin doesn't exactly have a 900+ yard track record in his career and has had the benefit of having other quality receivers opening up coverage for him in Philly.


Does KC have that? Only if you think a second year Wilson has the qualities of DeSean Jackson or if Conley will come on the seen strong as a rookie a la Jordan Matthews. It's possible, but you can't honestly say that it's better than a coinflip's odds of that being the case.

And I said absolutely nothing about Kelce being worse: the tight end position as a WHOLE isn't any better than last year. Kelce/Harris/O'Shaughnessy is not a marked improvement over Kelce/Fasano/Schiltz or whatever waiver wire pickup Dorsey cycled through last year because there's no guy with an established track record like Fasano as shitty as that track record is. O'Shaughnessy and Harris could be critical contributors to the team, but as of now, they're projects.


And sure, Grubbs is an improvement over McGlynn... But you really think the line is going to look any better with a rookie or practically rookie at center and whatever guys can be used to flesh out the right side of the line? Hell, Fisher looked like ass a lot of the time last year according to people. But that's apparently an improved situation compared to last year.

The problem with DJ and DeVito is that they're an improvement over nothing as much as they are capable of playing like they have had in the past. DeVito flaming out isn't really a concern given the depth on the DL but there's really nothing at ILB available beside DJ.

Beyond that I said nothing about the defense being drastically worse. It'll probably still be a unit that's comfortably in the top half of the league at worst and still in the top third, but it's not going to be some sort of unheralded legion of boom that doesn't get the doors blown off of it and keeps offenses from scoring an average of 19 points or more. Peters is the only guy you can point to as an improvement in one spot over last year (as it should be with a 1st round draft pick more often than not) but you can't expect that this one guy alone is going be the catalyst to taking the squad into '85 Bears territory.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In the end, weird stuff happens in this game and perhaps all of those things will take place and we won't get better. But to sit there as of today and say "there's more evidence we'll be the same than there is that we'll get better" is just categorically false. There's a TON of evidence to suggest we'll improve.

How is it categorically false? Players develop, sure, but until it translates into more wins or quantifiable production in terms of stats, it's all speculation. It's not some huge leap to look at how the roster is constructed and come to the conclusion that the team will look no better or worse than the year before.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Except for in 2013 when Russell Wilson was a bystander to a SB championship.

Wilson developed into a better QB in '14 than he was in '13, no question. And at this point I do think he's a better QB than Smith because he is more aggressive.

But we're literally 18 months removed from the Seahawks D dragging Wilson to a SB championship. The first two rounds of the playoffs were Seattle's D doing serious work while Wilson largely spun his wheels. And against the Broncos are you really going to try to say that the savage beating the D put on Manning and crew isn't why they won that championship?

One. Season. Ago.

That's not ancient history, fellas. If the 2013 Seahawks can win a Super Bowl with Wilson's exceedingly mediocre performance, the Chiefs can absolutely do so in 2015. And if the 2014 Seahawks can lose in the SB despite improved play from their QB in 2014, then perhaps we should stop acting like the QB is the only thing that matters or that failing to win a SB is an indictment on a team at large.

It's like people for some reason are arguing how the Seahawks won the superbowl that year and that Wilson was the 3rd most important piece on the team behind the defense and Marshawn Lynch.

174 yards per game. 1 TD per game. That's what Wilson did in that title run. And because of the defense and running game, despite those below average Wilson numbers, they won pretty much each game comfortably.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

For every Inmem.....there is a RunKC.

um what?

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by bevischief

Most of the long time posters don't post anymore. More lurking than posting.

I'm nobody's favorite poster, and I'm certainly not the longest of long time posters, but I definitely fit into this bin. I'll post maybe once a week, but **** man... as much as I want to be optimistic about the chiefs, I don't see the organization as anything worth taking time away from an increasingly busy life (I'm finishing up my phd, got hired for an actual adult job for post phd, have a girl I'm pretty serious with and we have a seven month old daughter who's amazing).

Life happens. The chiefs are who they are, and until they prove otherwise, I really don't feel that they're worth the time I used to put to them, which reflects on how I browse this site really.