Describe a scenario where you would take up arms against the U.S. government. - Page 2

**Rain Man** · 07-26-2006, 02:50 PM

What would it take for you to start up a rebellion group? What events would have to happen for you to think that you should risk your life to change how America is governed? Please be as specific as possible; I don't want to hear, "Some crazy despot is elected president." I want to hear, "The President disbands Congress at gunpoint" or "The President orders an invasion of Canada" or "The president has made it illegal for me to own slaves" or "The government is killing everyone who wears glasses and is sending the rest to the countryside" or some such thing.

**Rain Man** · 07-26-2006, 03:53 PM

Yeah, felonies are brutal. I know someone with a felony record, and I think that some of the long-term punishments really outweigh the person's crime. (And he did commit a crime, but still...he paid his dues long ago.)

I agree with Big Daddy on this one. There's too much enthusiasm about making crimes felonies with no regard to the fact that the person then can't vote, own a gun, etc. The person that I know wrote some bad checks. Okay, a lot of bad checks. But it was more of a business screwup than an intentional crime. And now he can't vote in an election? And he had to give up his gun collection? Come on.

Adept Havelock · 07-26-2006, 03:54 PM

This is a pretty good description of such a scenario, written over 75 years ago. Haven't read it in 15 years or more, but it held up pretty well over the years, IIRC.

It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis

If Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag, and carrying the cross. -Sinclair Lewis

Logical · 07-26-2006, 04:01 PM

One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.

BIG_DADDY · 07-26-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, felonies are brutal. I know someone with a felony record, and I think that some of the long-term punishments really outweigh the person's crime. (And he did commit a crime, but still...he paid his dues long ago.)

I agree with Big Daddy on this one. There's too much enthusiasm about making crimes felonies with no regard to the fact that the person then can't vote, own a gun, etc. The person that I know wrote some bad checks. Okay, a lot of bad checks. But it was more of a business screwup than an intentional crime. And now he can't vote in an election? And he had to give up his gun collection? Come on.

Or even have the most basic right to simply be able to protect your family.

**Rain Man** · 07-26-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical

One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.

Now that's a good one.

Interestingly, though, if he did that, the Constitution would still say that the new president is president, right? So I would think that the armed forces would be legally obligated to help the new president throw him out of the White House. In that case, there would have to be a precursor where the current president tried to pass some sort of law to pre-empt presidential elections "in an emergency" or something. And then he'd have to invoke it. Am I right? Or am I just rambling?

The Dude Abides · 07-26-2006, 04:10 PM

Its good to know some people understand the difficulties of having a felony, even if its over a decade old. If any one knows of a job opportunity in or around Wichita, I would be grateful, and even rethink my stance on the armed uprising!

Chiefs Minor Satellite · 07-26-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical

One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.

If Clinton didn't do that what makes you think that Bush would?

Raiderhater · 07-26-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Minor Satellite

If Clinton didn't do that what makes you think that Bush would?

He's been hanging around Denise too long.

burt · 07-26-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Now that's a good one.

Interestingly, though, if he did that, the Constitution would still say that the new president is president, right? So I would think that the armed forces would be legally obligated to help the new president throw him out of the White House. In that case, there would have to be a precursor where the current president tried to pass some sort of law to pre-empt presidential elections "in an emergency" or something. And then he'd have to invoke it. Am I right? Or am I just rambling?

you're rambling......

Chiefs Minor Satellite · 07-26-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderhader

He's been hanging around Denise too long.

Eleazar · 07-26-2006, 04:33 PM

If there's ever a day when there are threads about "Ass Pennies". er-

**Rain Man** · 07-26-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mercer

you're rambling......

Oh. Sorry. I tend to do that on Constitutional Law issues.

burt · 07-26-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Oh. Sorry. I tend to do that on Constitutional Law issues.

I sugggest that you use the "Adept Havelock" method. Ramble in really big words....no one will know that you are rambling....

**RealSNR** · 07-26-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

If they ever suggest that I won't AT LEAST get what I've paid into social security (including employer share) back, and with interest.

Come on fellas, there would be a whole lot us average Americans willing to take up arms over that one.

"Come on....make my day, Senator."

Woah... Shay's Rebellion II

The Dude Abides · 07-26-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Woah... Shay's Rebellion II

Nice historical reference!

07-26-2006, 02:50 PM
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07-26-2006, 03:53 PM	#16
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-482449 VARSITY	Yeah, felonies are brutal. I know someone with a felony record, and I think that some of the long-term punishments really outweigh the person's crime. (And he did commit a crime, but still...he paid his dues long ago.) I agree with Big Daddy on this one. There's too much enthusiasm about making crimes felonies with no regard to the fact that the person then can't vote, own a gun, etc. The person that I know wrote some bad checks. Okay, a lot of bad checks. But it was more of a business screwup than an intentional crime. And now he can't vote in an election? And he had to give up his gun collection? Come on. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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Adept Havelock Obligatory Thoughtcriminal Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Flux,awaiting an observer Casino cash: $10004900	This is a pretty good description of such a scenario, written over 75 years ago. Haven't read it in 15 years or more, but it held up pretty well over the years, IIRC. It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis If Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag, and carrying the cross. -Sinclair Lewis __________________ No matter how cynical you are, it is impossible to keep up. -Lily Tomlin I'd rather be a climbing monkey than a falling angel. -Terry Pratchett Last edited by Adept Havelock; 07-26-2006 at 04:04 PM..
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07-26-2006, 04:01 PM	#18
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	One example. The next Presidential election occurs and Bush refuses to turn the Presidency over to the rightful winner.
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The Dude Abides Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $6994940	Its good to know some people understand the difficulties of having a felony, even if its over a decade old. If any one knows of a job opportunity in or around Wichita, I would be grateful, and even rethink my stance on the armed uprising!
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