This not a revamped D, DV has as much to do with it than you care to admit!

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Logical

Keg, I am pretty sure DJ played last year as rookie every game. Not sure I follow this point.

I think DJ was the exception not the rule, Unfortunatly there was no one better then DJ on why he got so much playing time... Hell during todays game they were talking about how he said he was lost and slow because he did not know the plays but now he does so he can go full speed agian...(paraphrased)

If DV was still here Hicks would be starting and we would not have our interior Linemen REed and edwards playing... The fact with Herm is the best players will start and get the playing time opposed to hoping that your starters will come around(warfield,hicks,woods) to their potential...

[Logical]

Originally Posted by Valiant

I think DJ was the exception not the rule, Unfortunatly there was no one better then DJ on why he got so much playing time... Hell during todays game they were talking about how he said he was lost and slow because he did not know the plays but now he does so he can go full speed agian...(paraphrased)

If DV was still here Hicks would be starting and we would not have our interior Linemen REed and edwards playing... The fact with Herm is the best players will start and get the playing time opposed to hoping that your starters will come around(warfield,hicks,woods) to their potential...

Hey DV frustrated me with his loyalty to some veterans as much as anyone else. I just thought that statement was not factually correct. I also think with Hicks having an injured shoulder Hali would probably be starting this year, but probably some of the other rookies would not be getting the chance they are getting this year.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Logical

Hey DV frustrated me with his loyalty to some veterans as much as anyone else. I just thought that statement was not factually correct. I also think with Hicks having an injured shoulder Hali would probably be starting this year, but probably some of the other rookies would not be getting the chance they are getting this year.

The statement may not be a 100% factually correct, but the basic premise is spot on. Vermeil did not like to play rookies. He openly admitted as much plenty of times.

Vermeil may have been present for the drafting of some of these guys, but I'm not sure I'm willing to give him much credit for this defense. At best, it's taken 6 years to get a defense in here (if we're for real this year) so even if Vermeil shares some of the credit, he shares even more of the blame for it taking as long as it did.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Logical

Hey DV frustrated me with his loyalty to some veterans as much as anyone else. I just thought that statement was not factually correct. I also think with Hicks having an injured shoulder Hali would probably be starting this year, but probably some of the other rookies would not be getting the chance they are getting this year.

Your point about Derrick Johnson is correct. But overall, DV didn't like to let rooks play, even if they were better than the vets.

Example:
Hicks would not be starting this year even if he was 100% healthy right now.

If DV were here and even if they also had drafted Hali, Hicks would be starting right now if he was healthy.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Logical

Keg, I am pretty sure DJ played last year as rookie every game. Not sure I follow this point.

The fact that he bascially played one rookie in five years proves my point pretty well, I'd say. Vermeil goes for vets over rookies. That's a fact, not open for much dispute.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

Last time I checked the majority of the players on D were here last year.

Given that DV was not here this past off season, you can't predict which players he would or wouldn't have drafted. Also CP would have had input so Hali probably would have been drafted and potential the other rookies that made the roster as well.

Law would have also been pursued and acquired given our prospects in being a playoff team.

The D was a work in progress and DV was big part of it.

Now that he and AS are gone all their naysayers are coming out claiming the D is great now they are gone. Not fair.

I'm happy the D is finally turned the corner, but don't give all the credit to Herm. Give his DV some credit for leaving some kind of solid base to work from.

Unfortunately, DV and AS left with our O's keys and we can't get it out of the garage.

If DV/AS were still here we would be 2-0 going into our bye week.

It's good to see that you get progressively dumber every season.

DV would be 2-0? Dick Vermeil never won a ****ing game in Denver. He really never even came close, but he would have won with our backup QB that hasn't played a down in 5 years?

He would have won with Damon Huard? Is that what you really think?

Vermeil had NOTHING ever to do with our defense. Ever. He's said on numerous occasions that he had nothing to do with the defense - that it wasn't his thing.

Posts like yours truly piss me off because they have ZERO basis.

Our O-keys took off with Trent Green's head injury last week and Willie Roaf. I guess you must have forgotten last year's whopping 10 points with your boys Al and Dick and they had the luxury of Trent Green.

Herm deserves the credit for this defense turning around. They are 100x more fundamentally sound than any Dick Vermeil defense.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

If Trent Green was healthy and Willie Roaf didn't retire we would be 2-0 going into our bye week.

Fixed your post.

[ChiefFan31]

I think I should have thought out my screen name a little more.

[Bwana]

[old_geezer]

Have you bothered to watch Al Saunders offense in Washington this year? Hell, their playcalling was far worse than KC's, esp. last night. DV/AS are gone and that's not really a bad thing. I was proud of our defense yesterday for the first time in a loooong, loooong time.

[CupidStunt]

Edwards: Hali, Edwards, Reed, playing Page, Ty Law, good scheme that limits big plays.

Vermeil: Ryan Sims, Siavii, Kendrell Bell, schemes that bend over to the passing game.

[htismaqe]

We should have given DV a few more years.

Evidently FIVE YEARS OF CONTINUOUS FAILURE wasn't enough to convince some people...

[hawkchief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We should have given DV a few more years.

Evidently FIVE YEARS OF CONTINUOUS FAILURE wasn't enough to convince some people...

And SEVENTEEN YEARS OF CONTINUOUS FAILURE by our GM, Carl Peterson isn't enough to convince some people either.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by hawkchief

And SEVENTEEN YEARS OF CONTINUOUS FAILURE by our GM, Carl Peterson isn't enough to convince some people either.

Like who?

You'd be hard-pressed to find even ONE person here that likes Carl Peterson.

Some of us are just smart enough to know he's not the root of all evil...

[hawkchief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Like who?

You'd be hard-pressed to find even ONE person here that likes Carl Peterson.

Some of us are just smart enough to know he's not the root of all evil...

Some of us are smart enought to know that if you are CEO, President and GM of an organization for 17 years that continues to fail, that, by definition, you are the root of the problem and need to be removed.