Peyton Manning has never won a playoff game! - Page 2

Packfan · 12-31-2000, 10:48 AM

Russ,

Your argument doesnt hold water. Vanderjact missed a makeable field goal. Manning and co. put the team in a position to win. In case you are not aware, Vanderjact rarely misses. But again, you want to blame Jim Mora for the loss. A road loss in overtime in the playoffs is nothing to be ashamed about. They will be back again next year. Chiefs will not. End of story.

Mi Chief,

Maybe you were just in grade school when the 13-3 Chiefs lost to the Colts at Arrowhead in 1995.

I hate educating non-educated Chief fans!

Russ, you take over.

KCWolfman · 12-31-2000, 10:52 AM

Ken - I disagree wholeheartedly. The Colts may not be back, they barely slid in this year in a very tough division. Secondly, why are they on the road during the playoffs? If Mora is such a great coach, should he be in the position to be on the road to begin with?

They accomplished more last year than this year. As for blaming Mora, I will not be the only one - I guarantee several articles will be written this week on his lack of sack. 0-6 in the playoffs is no coincidence.

My first comments still stand. The Colts have accomplished less in their five year plan than the Chiefs did in theirs.

[This message has been edited by KCWolfman (edited 12-31-2000).]

KCWolfman · 12-31-2000, 10:53 AM

BTW - I hardly call a 49 yard FG in open weather a sure FG.

Mi_chief_fan · 12-31-2000, 10:54 AM

And maybe you were just reaching puberty in 1997 when the chiefs lost to the Super Bowl champions at home in one of the best, and most contraversial playoff games ever.

Mi_chief_fan · 12-31-2000, 11:01 AM

Let's talk about 'Great Expectations'(Not to take away from the 'Hannibal Lecter' thread ;)). Before the season, every sportswriter outside of Tennessee & Jacksonville were ready to annoint the Colts the AFC representative in the Super Bowl. They were Lucky to make it to the playoffs, and didn't last long.

Many of those same prognosticators picked the Chiefs to finish 5-11, at best. With better coaching(even you'll have to admit this) the Chiefs could have made it in. Heck, their every bit as good as Denver.

In other words, which team had the more disappointing season?

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Mosbonian · 12-31-2000, 11:09 AM

Ken:

A playoff loss, when you should be able to beat the team as you did two weeks prior, is devastating no matter where.

A loss is a loss is a loss no matter where you do it. No one cares about where you lose a playoff game, only that you lost it.

Does the loss to the Dolphins, at Miami, when, an almost always perfect Nick Lowery missed a chip shot, count any less? Especially after a "phantom" holding call?

That loss is just as painful as the one to the Jim Harbaugh-led Colts coming into Arrowhead and beating us when we were, by all proclamations of the experts, the best on paper.

As for the Colts, you seem to be giving them a little more slack, IMO, than you intend to give the Chiefs. Russ is right, if you are going to compare them, do it with the same "5 year plan". Measure the Colts the last 5 years and take the talent on both teams and you will see that the Colts slip is worse than the Chiefs.

As for my choice between Manning or Grbac, I would take Manning in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't? [b]BUT[/b], to be fair, you must admit that Manning is fairing no better in the big games than Grbac. Could it be true what Darrell Russell said? It appears he has something there...

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milkman · 12-31-2000, 11:26 AM

How many points did the Colts score yesterday? How many did they score in last season's playoff loss? And where did they play that game last season?
Home or on the road, it seems that the Colts offense hasn't shown up. Who's the leader of that offense?

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WisChief · 12-31-2000, 12:05 PM

What kind of question is "who would you pick - Grbac or Manning?" That's stupid - no offense to anyone - but WOW! This talk about Manning being in the upper echelon and Grbac not makes no sense at all. Neither one of them have PROVEN $hit. They both play very well at times and both play very poorly at others (sounds liket the other 29 starters to me). Grbac's one loss with the Chiefs in the playoffs proves that he lost one playoff game. Manning's losses in 2 consecutive seasons in the first round and his lose at Tenn seem to show a trend of loosing the big one, but I'll be fair and say let's wait one more year.

Just for the record though - I'll take Grbac, he's proven he can take the heat and perform - Manning has been a spoon fed golden boy and still looses.

Mi_chief_fan · 12-31-2000, 12:42 PM

WisChief,
I like ya dude(after all, we blue collars should stick together :D), but for the record, i'll take Manning.

But it's not a fair question. A better question would be: 'Who would you take, Edgerrin James or RBBC.'

Packfan · 12-31-2000, 07:17 PM

Mi Chief,

You call the 1997 Chief loss to the Broncos "one of the best, most controversial games ever"! Seriously? You must not watch a lot of playoff games. The game was a very good game, but "one of the best ever"??? Hardly. 14-10 game could hardly be considered among the "best ever" Another in a loooong line of classic statements from you! I enjoy them!

Even though the Chiefs season ends in December, try paying attention to the playoffs. That stunning, controversial, take-your-breath-away, 14-10 thriller the Chiefs played in might move down your list of great games.

KCWolfman · 12-31-2000, 09:14 PM

Ken - Once again, your opinion alone...

I love low scoring games. While the droves of uninformed are brought in by 35-40 points per team, I prefer a strong defense.

To bolster Joe's point, I am willing to bet that the most interesting game in the playoffs this year will be the Ravens and Titans next week. Their defenses will tell the tale and make the game more memorable than any Warner and Co. blowout.

DaWolf · 12-31-2000, 09:17 PM

Packfan,
While I'm sure winning had something to do with it, even Shanahan said of all the games he's coached, that was one of the best games he's ever been associated with...

Mi_chief_fan · 01-01-2001, 08:49 AM

Is this one a classic, Kennny?

December 31, 1967

Green Bay 21
Dallas 17

The infamous 'ice bowl.'

Pretty low scoring, defensive struggle. I suppose the only reason you consider this a classic is because it involved Green Bay.

Packfan · 01-01-2001, 10:50 AM

I said the game was a "very good" game. It was. But I doubt that nfl historians will rank this as one of the "best, most controversial ever". It might be for Chief fans, but nobody else.

How sorry is it for Chief fans when their best team memory is a hard fought playoff loss.

Mi Chief, Let me know when that game is replayed on the classic sports channel.

Mi_chief_fan · 01-01-2001, 05:47 PM

Haven't seen the 'ice bowl' on there either.

But i did read an article(Sporting News I think) that actually ranked it pretty high on Dan Pompei's list.

Like Russ said, it's all a matter of opinion. It's certainly one of the best I've ever seen.

BTW, who said it was my favorite or best memory? I merely said that losing to Denver in a game of that magnitude was nothing to be embarassed about; you disagree.

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12-31-2000, 10:48 AM	#1
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Russ, Your argument doesnt hold water. Vanderjact missed a makeable field goal. Manning and co. put the team in a position to win. In case you are not aware, Vanderjact rarely misses. But again, you want to blame Jim Mora for the loss. A road loss in overtime in the playoffs is nothing to be ashamed about. They will be back again next year. Chiefs will not. End of story. Mi Chief, Maybe you were just in grade school when the 13-3 Chiefs lost to the Colts at Arrowhead in 1995. I hate educating non-educated Chief fans! Russ, you take over.
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12-31-2000, 10:52 AM	#2
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Ken - I disagree wholeheartedly. The Colts may not be back, they barely slid in this year in a very tough division. Secondly, why are they on the road during the playoffs? If Mora is such a great coach, should he be in the position to be on the road to begin with? They accomplished more last year than this year. As for blaming Mora, I will not be the only one - I guarantee several articles will be written this week on his lack of sack. 0-6 in the playoffs is no coincidence. My first comments still stand. The Colts have accomplished less in their five year plan than the Chiefs did in theirs. [This message has been edited by KCWolfman (edited 12-31-2000).]
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12-31-2000, 10:53 AM	#3
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	BTW - I hardly call a 49 yard FG in open weather a sure FG.
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12-31-2000, 10:54 AM	#4
Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	And maybe you were just reaching puberty in 1997 when the chiefs lost to the Super Bowl champions at home in one of the best, and most contraversial playoff games ever.
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12-31-2000, 11:01 AM	#5
Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	Let's talk about 'Great Expectations'(Not to take away from the 'Hannibal Lecter' thread ;)). Before the season, every sportswriter outside of Tennessee & Jacksonville were ready to annoint the Colts the AFC representative in the Super Bowl. They were Lucky to make it to the playoffs, and didn't last long. Many of those same prognosticators picked the Chiefs to finish 5-11, at best. With better coaching(even you'll have to admit this) the Chiefs could have made it in. Heck, their every bit as good as Denver. In other words, which team had the more disappointing season? [This message has been edited by Mi_chief_fan (edited 12-31-2000).]
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12-31-2000, 11:09 AM	#6
Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1110300	Ken: A playoff loss, when you should be able to beat the team as you did two weeks prior, is devastating no matter where. A loss is a loss is a loss no matter where you do it. No one cares about where you lose a playoff game, only that you lost it. Does the loss to the Dolphins, at Miami, when, an almost always perfect Nick Lowery missed a chip shot, count any less? Especially after a "phantom" holding call? That loss is just as painful as the one to the Jim Harbaugh-led Colts coming into Arrowhead and beating us when we were, by all proclamations of the experts, the best on paper. As for the Colts, you seem to be giving them a little more slack, IMO, than you intend to give the Chiefs. Russ is right, if you are going to compare them, do it with the same "5 year plan". Measure the Colts the last 5 years and take the talent on both teams and you will see that the Colts slip is worse than the Chiefs. As for my choice between Manning or Grbac, I would take Manning in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't? [b]BUT[/b], to be fair, you must admit that Manning is fairing no better in the big games than Grbac. Could it be true what Darrell Russell said? It appears he has something there... mark ***********
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12-31-2000, 11:26 AM	#7
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	How many points did the Colts score yesterday? How many did they score in last season's playoff loss? And where did they play that game last season? Home or on the road, it seems that the Colts offense hasn't shown up. Who's the leader of that offense? ------------------ [b]Red Eyes[/b] Leading the charge to scalp Goonther MaGoo, The 3 Stooges, and Limp Willie!
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12-31-2000, 12:05 PM	#8
WisChief GO 'NOLES! Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10005400	What kind of question is "who would you pick - Grbac or Manning?" That's stupid - no offense to anyone - but WOW! This talk about Manning being in the upper echelon and Grbac not makes no sense at all. Neither one of them have PROVEN $hit. They both play very well at times and both play very poorly at others (sounds liket the other 29 starters to me). Grbac's one loss with the Chiefs in the playoffs proves that he lost one playoff game. Manning's losses in 2 consecutive seasons in the first round and his lose at Tenn seem to show a trend of loosing the big one, but I'll be fair and say let's wait one more year. Just for the record though - I'll take Grbac, he's proven he can take the heat and perform - Manning has been a spoon fed golden boy and still looses.
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12-31-2000, 12:42 PM	#9
Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	WisChief, I like ya dude(after all, we blue collars should stick together :D), but for the record, i'll take Manning. But it's not a fair question. A better question would be: 'Who would you take, Edgerrin James or RBBC.'
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12-31-2000, 07:17 PM	#10
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Mi Chief, You call the 1997 Chief loss to the Broncos "one of the best, most controversial games ever"! Seriously? You must not watch a lot of playoff games. The game was a very good game, but "one of the best ever"??? Hardly. 14-10 game could hardly be considered among the "best ever" Another in a loooong line of classic statements from you! I enjoy them! Even though the Chiefs season ends in December, try paying attention to the playoffs. That stunning, controversial, take-your-breath-away, 14-10 thriller the Chiefs played in might move down your list of great games.
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12-31-2000, 09:14 PM	#11
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Ken - Once again, your opinion alone... I love low scoring games. While the droves of uninformed are brought in by 35-40 points per team, I prefer a strong defense. To bolster Joe's point, I am willing to bet that the most interesting game in the playoffs this year will be the Ravens and Titans next week. Their defenses will tell the tale and make the game more memorable than any Warner and Co. blowout.
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12-31-2000, 09:17 PM	#12
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Packfan, While I'm sure winning had something to do with it, even Shanahan said of all the games he's coached, that was one of the best games he's ever been associated with...
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01-01-2001, 08:49 AM	#13
Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	Is this one a classic, Kennny? December 31, 1967 Green Bay 21 Dallas 17 The infamous 'ice bowl.' Pretty low scoring, defensive struggle. I suppose the only reason you consider this a classic is because it involved Green Bay.
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01-01-2001, 10:50 AM	#14
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	I said the game was a "very good" game. It was. But I doubt that nfl historians will rank this as one of the "best, most controversial ever". It might be for Chief fans, but nobody else. How sorry is it for Chief fans when their best team memory is a hard fought playoff loss. Mi Chief, Let me know when that game is replayed on the classic sports channel.
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01-01-2001, 05:47 PM	#15
Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	Haven't seen the 'ice bowl' on there either. But i did read an article(Sporting News I think) that actually ranked it pretty high on Dan Pompei's list. Like Russ said, it's all a matter of opinion. It's certainly one of the best I've ever seen. BTW, who said it was my favorite or best memory? I merely said that losing to Denver in a game of that magnitude was nothing to be embarassed about; you disagree. [This message has been edited by Mi_chief_fan (edited 01-01-2001).]
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