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Hammock Parties · 09-27-2006, 01:06 AM

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Vermeil: KC will be fine

Chiefs’ former coach says things don’t look that different under Edwards from when he was there.

By ELIZABETH MERRILL
The Kansas City Star

A full day’s work, these days, is filling 60-gallon barrels of cabernet. They give the menial jobs to the guys who know nothing, Dick Vermeil jokes, and he loaded six vessels of the red stuff on Monday. With a Chiefs cap on his head and his wife, Carol, beside him wearing a No. 88 Tony Gonzalez jersey, Vermeil is rested and happy, but it’s obvious he hasn’t forgotten.

He’s made a couple of calls to Kansas City. They used to talk every Tuesday, coach to coach, and now both of them say there’s nothing strange even though Herm Edwards has Vermeil’s old job and the franchise seems to be as different as merlot and Coors Light.

“I’m confident they’ll be fine,” Vermeil said. “There’s a period of adjustment for changeover. I don’t think it’s a dramatic changeover because Herm and I have a very similar approach to working with players and coaches. His process is a little different probably than mine. Each coach has his own way of making things more important.”

Roughly 1,800 miles from Napa Valley, Edwards spent another Tuesday trying to tell reporters that he wants to score touchdowns and he’s not Vermeil’s younger, more amped-up alter-ego. His Chiefs are 0-2 and face what many are calling a must-win Sunday against San Francisco.

Statisticians would call it a complete makeover. The Chiefs’ defense, the forgotten chapter of the Vermeil era, is ranked No. 7 in the NFL. And his beloved No. 1 offense sits near the bottom at 27th.

At one point Tuesday, Edwards said the defense is a work in progress, and that the paint hadn’t totally dried. On offense, the colors haven’t even been mixed. But Kansas City’s high-falutin’ machine has taken two serious hits recently — first 11-time Pro Bowl tackle Willie Roaf announced his retirement, then veteran quarterback Trent Green was knocked unconscious in the season opener.

What followed was 16 points in the first two games, and the new coach being labeled conservative. Edwards has taken exception to that, and so has Vermeil.

“The system’s the same,” Vermeil said. “I don’t think they’re not trying to score, you know? I know the coaches. I’ve talked with them. They’ve had some pass protection problems, and that limits you some. And sometimes there’s a little different approach to using the same scheme. But I think they’ll hit a happy medium, a very pleasant medium with the offense. It’ll be very efficient.”

Much of the offensive staff is Vermeil holdovers. He’s called to give Mike Solari, the new offensive coordinator, an ear. He knows offensive line coach John Matsko from their days in St. Louis.

Rarely does an old regime leave with so many ties. But this Edwards says, is all he knows. He met Vermeil and Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson when he was about 17 years old and they were trying to recruit him to UCLA. Throughout his career, Edwards has leaned on three people — Vermeil, Indianapolis coach Tony Dungy and Peterson. He calls them family.

“They give you a perspective,” Edwards said. “When you get into this bubble as a head coach, they give you the reality check. One thing I learned when I became the head coach, when you’re an assistant guy, and it’s great being an assistant coach because you’re always hanging in the other guys’ offices going through the game plan.

“When you’re the head coach, you sit in your office and no one ever comes to see you unless they’ve got problems. So I hang out in the rooms just to talk to somebody. It’s a lonely spot, and I didn’t realize that until I learned that from Tony. He always said, ‘Every once in a while, just come down and make sure I’m alive, would you please?’ Because it’s hard. You need people you can talk to.”

Most times, Peterson says, colleagues call when something goes right. But Vermeil is there even when things go wrong. They talk on Fridays now, and maybe Vermeil will remind Edwards this week about the times he started slow in New York and made it to the playoffs. Maybe they’ll talk about everything but football.

Vermeil splits his time between his ranch in Pennsylvania and his family winery in Napa Valley, and says he doesn’t miss a lot of things about football, especially the losing. He said he’s missed the Chiefs’ first two games because he was doing “Monday Night Football” one week and his satellite dish was out the other.

He’ll do some broadcasting work for the NFL Network later this season, and one of the games he’ll work is the Chiefs-Raiders on Dec. 23. Vermeil expects to see them in a rhythm by then. And then maybe people won’t think they’re all that different.

“Everybody has their own process,” he said. “Herman never coached for me. He played for me. He’s got a heavy Dungy influence because he coached for Tony. Each coach is a little bit unique.

“I’m hoping he does it a little bit better so he can get Lamar Hunt one of those trophies.”

**HemiEd** · 09-27-2006, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cormac

High road?

He had nothing but good things to say about the current Chiefs management. Even though Herm, Carl and Gunther have all thrown him under the bus since he left.

htismaqe · 09-27-2006, 07:36 AM

If Vermeil says something good about the team, he's either 1) uninformed or 2) a shill.

I know exactly what would be said here if he had said something bad:

"I knew it! We should have kept Vermeil!"

StcChief · 09-27-2006, 07:43 AM

Under The bus? Coaches are their own frat.....
no matter where they are? doing a job for a team.

The transitions exist, injury happens.

retirements could have been predicated, they were somewhat addressed by Turley, hoping Sampson/Black would develop at RT.

milkman · 09-27-2006, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Exactly, yet Vermeil takes the high road.
.

So the bus had to drive uphill?

kc rush · 09-27-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/15616180.htm

With a Chiefs cap on his head and his wife, Carol, beside him wearing a No. 88 Tony Gonzalez jersey...

All the ladies wear No. 88.

Frazod · 09-27-2006, 09:32 AM

This is the same assclown who thought our 2004 defense was the best he'd ever seen.

I won't even condescend to read this crap.

Chiefs Pantalones · 09-27-2006, 09:39 AM

DV saying that makes me feel so much better

Fish · 09-27-2006, 10:28 AM

Rather pointless article....

ck_IN · 09-27-2006, 10:29 AM

What he really means is 'Damm I'm glad I got out in time. That house of cards I built could be falling down on me right now'.

Cormac · 09-27-2006, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd

He had nothing but good things to say about the current Chiefs management. Even though Herm, Carl and Gunther have all thrown him under the bus since he left.

Gotcha.

HC_Chief · 09-27-2006, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd

He had nothing but good things to say about the current Chiefs management. Even though Herm, Carl and Gunther have all thrown him under the bus since he left.

IMHO they threw Saunders "under the bus", not DV. DV is still precious to them.

chiefsfan1963 · 09-27-2006, 10:40 AM

DV is a class act he is sorely missed by many. He did great things for this franchise. I'm am sorry he was not able to accomplish getting and winning another SB here.

Our O was one of the most productive in the league for past 5 years. I will miss DV's and AS's O during the Herm regime.

milkman · 09-27-2006, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

DV is a class act he is sorely missed by many. He did great things for this franchise. I'm am sorry he was not able to accomplish getting and winning another SB here.

Our O was one of the most productive in the league for past 5 years. I will miss DV's and AS's O during the Herm regime.

They did great things?

Like what?

Offense scored a lot of points?
Big freakin' deal.

Dick and Al didn't accomplish jack.
They played one playoff game in five years.

Not only did they not get to, and win a SB.
They didn't sniff the ****er.

I don't give a flying rat's ass about records.
I want to win a freakin' SB.

FAX · 09-27-2006, 10:58 AM

I liked having the #1 offense in the league, Mr. chiefsfan1963, no problem.

But, other teams get to go to the playoffs and stuff. I think that would be nice to do someday.

FAX

chiefsfan1963 · 09-27-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

I liked having the #1 offense in the league, Mr. chiefsfan1963, no problem.

But, other teams get to go to the playoffs and stuff. I think that would be nice to do someday.

FAX

Hopefully Herm will get us there. We'll find out these next 3 years. But what ever happens I will miss our exciting O when DV was HC.

I'm thinking this year is a bust and Herm can hide behind the fact that we lost our #1 QB and the retirements of Roaf and Welbourn. He will get 2 more years after that. If nothing happens I will look forward to CP finally leaving and seeing a new GM put in place.

09-27-2006, 01:06 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1010478	KC Star - Vermeil: KC will be fine http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/15616180.htm Vermeil: KC will be fine Chiefs’ former coach says things don’t look that different under Edwards from when he was there. By ELIZABETH MERRILL The Kansas City Star A full day’s work, these days, is filling 60-gallon barrels of cabernet. They give the menial jobs to the guys who know nothing, Dick Vermeil jokes, and he loaded six vessels of the red stuff on Monday. With a Chiefs cap on his head and his wife, Carol, beside him wearing a No. 88 Tony Gonzalez jersey, Vermeil is rested and happy, but it’s obvious he hasn’t forgotten. He’s made a couple of calls to Kansas City. They used to talk every Tuesday, coach to coach, and now both of them say there’s nothing strange even though Herm Edwards has Vermeil’s old job and the franchise seems to be as different as merlot and Coors Light. “I’m confident they’ll be fine,” Vermeil said. “There’s a period of adjustment for changeover. I don’t think it’s a dramatic changeover because Herm and I have a very similar approach to working with players and coaches. His process is a little different probably than mine. Each coach has his own way of making things more important.” Roughly 1,800 miles from Napa Valley, Edwards spent another Tuesday trying to tell reporters that he wants to score touchdowns and he’s not Vermeil’s younger, more amped-up alter-ego. His Chiefs are 0-2 and face what many are calling a must-win Sunday against San Francisco. Statisticians would call it a complete makeover. The Chiefs’ defense, the forgotten chapter of the Vermeil era, is ranked No. 7 in the NFL. And his beloved No. 1 offense sits near the bottom at 27th. At one point Tuesday, Edwards said the defense is a work in progress, and that the paint hadn’t totally dried. On offense, the colors haven’t even been mixed. But Kansas City’s high-falutin’ machine has taken two serious hits recently — first 11-time Pro Bowl tackle Willie Roaf announced his retirement, then veteran quarterback Trent Green was knocked unconscious in the season opener. What followed was 16 points in the first two games, and the new coach being labeled conservative. Edwards has taken exception to that, and so has Vermeil. “The system’s the same,” Vermeil said. “I don’t think they’re not trying to score, you know? I know the coaches. I’ve talked with them. They’ve had some pass protection problems, and that limits you some. And sometimes there’s a little different approach to using the same scheme. But I think they’ll hit a happy medium, a very pleasant medium with the offense. It’ll be very efficient.” Much of the offensive staff is Vermeil holdovers. He’s called to give Mike Solari, the new offensive coordinator, an ear. He knows offensive line coach John Matsko from their days in St. Louis. Rarely does an old regime leave with so many ties. But this Edwards says, is all he knows. He met Vermeil and Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson when he was about 17 years old and they were trying to recruit him to UCLA. Throughout his career, Edwards has leaned on three people — Vermeil, Indianapolis coach Tony Dungy and Peterson. He calls them family. “They give you a perspective,” Edwards said. “When you get into this bubble as a head coach, they give you the reality check. One thing I learned when I became the head coach, when you’re an assistant guy, and it’s great being an assistant coach because you’re always hanging in the other guys’ offices going through the game plan. “When you’re the head coach, you sit in your office and no one ever comes to see you unless they’ve got problems. So I hang out in the rooms just to talk to somebody. It’s a lonely spot, and I didn’t realize that until I learned that from Tony. He always said, ‘Every once in a while, just come down and make sure I’m alive, would you please?’ Because it’s hard. You need people you can talk to.” Most times, Peterson says, colleagues call when something goes right. But Vermeil is there even when things go wrong. They talk on Fridays now, and maybe Vermeil will remind Edwards this week about the times he started slow in New York and made it to the playoffs. Maybe they’ll talk about everything but football. Vermeil splits his time between his ranch in Pennsylvania and his family winery in Napa Valley, and says he doesn’t miss a lot of things about football, especially the losing. He said he’s missed the Chiefs’ first two games because he was doing “Monday Night Football” one week and his satellite dish was out the other. He’ll do some broadcasting work for the NFL Network later this season, and one of the games he’ll work is the Chiefs-Raiders on Dec. 23. Vermeil expects to see them in a rhythm by then. And then maybe people won’t think they’re all that different. “Everybody has their own process,” he said. “Herman never coached for me. He played for me. He’s got a heavy Dungy influence because he coached for Tony. Each coach is a little bit unique. “I’m hoping he does it a little bit better so he can get Lamar Hunt one of those trophies.”
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09-27-2006, 07:36 AM	#17
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8179900	If Vermeil says something good about the team, he's either 1) uninformed or 2) a shill. I know exactly what would be said here if he had said something bad: "I knew it! We should have kept Vermeil!"
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09-27-2006, 07:43 AM	#18
StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	Under The bus? Coaches are their own frat..... no matter where they are? doing a job for a team. The transitions exist, injury happens. retirements could have been predicated, they were somewhat addressed by Turley, hoping Sampson/Black would develop at RT. __________________ sig test for this screwy schema
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09-27-2006, 09:32 AM	#21
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-576615	This is the same assclown who thought our 2004 defense was the best he'd ever seen. I won't even condescend to read this crap.
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09-27-2006, 09:39 AM	#22
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09-27-2006, 10:28 AM	#23
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09-27-2006, 10:29 AM	#24
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	What he really means is 'Damm I'm glad I got out in time. That house of cards I built could be falling down on me right now'. __________________ As sweet as Tupelo Honey
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09-27-2006, 10:40 AM	#27
chiefsfan1963 Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Casino cash: $10005060	DV is a class act he is sorely missed by many. He did great things for this franchise. I'm am sorry he was not able to accomplish getting and winning another SB here. Our O was one of the most productive in the league for past 5 years. I will miss DV's and AS's O during the Herm regime.
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09-27-2006, 10:58 AM	#29
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