"It very well will be the finest coaching staff I've ever been able to put together." - Page 2

DaWolf · 01-19-2001, 10:47 PM

Saunders will be joined on the Chiefs' offensive staff by two of Gunther Cunningham's assistants, tight-ends coach Keith Rowen and offensive-line coach Mike Solari, and two additions from the Buffalo Bills, wide-receivers coach Charlie Joiner and running-backs coach James Saxon.

Vermeil interviewed former Chiefs tight end Jonathan Hayes to be tight-ends coach, but Hayes told Vermeil he preferred to remain an assistant at the University of Oklahoma.

Vermeil said former Oakland head coach Mike White could join his staff, but White's involvement would be more administrative and not in an on-field capacity.

Vermeil was still seeking to hire a quarterbacks coach.

The Chiefs on Monday completed their defensive staff with the hiring of Greg Robinson as coordinator.

"It very well will be the finest coaching staff I've ever been able to put together," Vermeil said. "I really feel that strongly about it."

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Cormac · 01-20-2001, 12:01 PM

Milkman,

When you say that Saunders was passed over for Raye......the Chiefs must have made the biggest blunders in coaching personnel in the last couple of years. Look at the guys who were let go: Tom Rossley (OC @ GB), Mike McCarthy (OC @ NO), Ron Zook (DC @ NO), as well as Saunders, Shell etc. In the past it seems we have held on to the idiots :D

**Bob Dole** · 01-20-2001, 12:09 PM

Bob Dole has noticed that, too, Cormac. Seems like every other day Bob Dole reads, "So-and-so, who spent 19nn as Kansas City's &LT;insert position here &GT; Coordinator has been named as Something Better for &LT;insert team&GT;." Too many to count...

Packfan · 01-20-2001, 12:25 PM

While I am happy as everyone else is about Gunter being replaced, I am not as optimistic about how much difference Vermeil and co. will make. It still takes talent to win in the NFL and the Chiefs are lacking in many areas. Five different coaches have tried to motivate Chester McGlockton and it hasnt worked. Four different coaches have tried to get Elvis to play smart at it hasnt worked. One constant remains: Carl Peterson. And that doesnt help the Chiefs chances. Three playoff wins in 12 years??? As long as he is the one providing the talent, I dont think the Chiefs will be anymore than mediocre.

Also, the 64 year Vermeil is a short term bandaid. Constant turnover hurts whether its business or football. After three more mediocre seasons, the Chiefs will be looking to do this all over again.

Talent comes first (as Mike Holmgren has found out) and coaching comes second. The Chiefs have to many needs to think that coaching will make that much of an impact.

Frazod · 01-20-2001, 12:25 PM

Well, I wanted sweeping changes, and certainly got them. I think Elvis can be an absolute terror on the field with the right coaching (and a decent RB).

I'm still not thrilled about DC or ST, but hell, as long as these guys has pulses they'll be an improvement over what we had. Under Stock, special teams was more like special ed.

At the very least, these changes should energize and revitalize the entire organization. Let's hope that momentum actually carries us somewhere this year.

GO CHIEFS!

DaWolf · 01-20-2001, 04:34 PM

I know a lot of people love to point out the games Robinson had against us and Dillon, but on the other hand look at the games he had against, for example, Oakland's ground game. A lot of it has to do with the players you have and how you use them. In recent years the Donks have not had great defensive players. Consider this recent article from the Rocky Mountain News:

[url="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/1,1299,DRMN_83_5755|130,00.html"]Rhodes or not, talent is route to winning[/url]

[quote]But get this: After guiding the 30th-ranked defense in Washington, Nolan was immediately scooped up by the Jets. In the span of a season, he went from coordinator of the 30th-best defense to the 10th best. He seems to have gotten smart as fast as Robinson got stupid.[/quote]

TEX · 01-21-2001, 09:54 AM

Still NOT liking the idea of Robinson calling the defensive plays, but just about anybody or rather any "warm" body would be better than Kurt and Willie Shaw. My guess is that Vermiel plans on jumping on teams early to make them play catch - up kind of like the Donx did when their defense was "good". Well, then we need to get a LEGIT threat in the backfield to join Elvis and Richardson. IMHO, to expect a Robinson defense to be dominent without an explosive offense is asking way too much.

01-20-2001, 12:01 PM	#16
Cormac Haley sceptic.... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: waiting it out....... Casino cash: $10004900	Milkman, When you say that Saunders was passed over for Raye......the Chiefs must have made the biggest blunders in coaching personnel in the last couple of years. Look at the guys who were let go: Tom Rossley (OC @ GB), Mike McCarthy (OC @ NO), Ron Zook (DC @ NO), as well as Saunders, Shell etc. In the past it seems we have held on to the idiots :D
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01-20-2001, 12:09 PM	#17
Bob Dole King Shit of **** Mountain Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texarkana, Texas Casino cash: $-1124563	Bob Dole has noticed that, too, Cormac. Seems like every other day Bob Dole reads, "So-and-so, who spent 19nn as Kansas City's &LT;insert position here &GT; Coordinator has been named as Something Better for &LT;insert team&GT;." Too many to count...
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01-20-2001, 12:25 PM	#18
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	While I am happy as everyone else is about Gunter being replaced, I am not as optimistic about how much difference Vermeil and co. will make. It still takes talent to win in the NFL and the Chiefs are lacking in many areas. Five different coaches have tried to motivate Chester McGlockton and it hasnt worked. Four different coaches have tried to get Elvis to play smart at it hasnt worked. One constant remains: Carl Peterson. And that doesnt help the Chiefs chances. Three playoff wins in 12 years??? As long as he is the one providing the talent, I dont think the Chiefs will be anymore than mediocre. Also, the 64 year Vermeil is a short term bandaid. Constant turnover hurts whether its business or football. After three more mediocre seasons, the Chiefs will be looking to do this all over again. Talent comes first (as Mike Holmgren has found out) and coaching comes second. The Chiefs have to many needs to think that coaching will make that much of an impact. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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01-20-2001, 12:25 PM	#19
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-566615	Well, I wanted sweeping changes, and certainly got them. I think Elvis can be an absolute terror on the field with the right coaching (and a decent RB). I'm still not thrilled about DC or ST, but hell, as long as these guys has pulses they'll be an improvement over what we had. Under Stock, special teams was more like special ed. At the very least, these changes should energize and revitalize the entire organization. Let's hope that momentum actually carries us somewhere this year. GO CHIEFS!
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01-20-2001, 04:34 PM	#20
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	I know a lot of people love to point out the games Robinson had against us and Dillon, but on the other hand look at the games he had against, for example, Oakland's ground game. A lot of it has to do with the players you have and how you use them. In recent years the Donks have not had great defensive players. Consider this recent article from the Rocky Mountain News: [url="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/1,1299,DRMN_83_5755\|130,00.html"]Rhodes or not, talent is route to winning[/url] [quote]But get this: After guiding the 30th-ranked defense in Washington, Nolan was immediately scooped up by the Jets. In the span of a season, he went from coordinator of the 30th-best defense to the 10th best. He seems to have gotten smart as fast as Robinson got stupid.[/quote]
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01-19-2001, 10:47 PM
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Saunders will be joined on the Chiefs' offensive staff by two of Gunther Cunningham's assistants, tight-ends coach Keith Rowen and offensive-line coach Mike Solari, and two additions from the Buffalo Bills, wide-receivers coach Charlie Joiner and running-backs coach James Saxon. Vermeil interviewed former Chiefs tight end Jonathan Hayes to be tight-ends coach, but Hayes told Vermeil he preferred to remain an assistant at the University of Oklahoma. Vermeil said former Oakland head coach Mike White could join his staff, but White's involvement would be more administrative and not in an on-field capacity. Vermeil was still seeking to hire a quarterbacks coach. The Chiefs on Monday completed their defensive staff with the hiring of Greg Robinson as coordinator. "It very well will be the finest coaching staff I've ever been able to put together," Vermeil said. "I really feel that strongly about it." [url]http://www.kcstar.com/item/pages/sports.pat,sports/37751179.119,.html[/url]
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01-21-2001, 09:54 AM	#21
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $-1226873	Still NOT liking the idea of Robinson calling the defensive plays, but just about anybody or rather any "warm" body would be better than Kurt and Willie Shaw. My guess is that Vermiel plans on jumping on teams early to make them play catch - up kind of like the Donx did when their defense was "good". Well, then we need to get a LEGIT threat in the backfield to join Elvis and Richardson. IMHO, to expect a Robinson defense to be dominent without an explosive offense is asking way too much.
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