This Bowe thing...

[HonestChieffan]

Lets face it, there is something badly wrong when a skills position player is not in camp working with a brand new QB. Somewhere these athletes are getting some bad bad advice that can and could impact their entire career.

I figure we wasted the pick at this point. No way will he even come close to adding much value to this tream this season. He has a major screup going on cause had he showed up...and if hes any good...and if croyle is half waht we hope....we would have seen some passing this season.

Now we have LJ who is a head case, old WR's or Young ones who cannot catch...The Defence would have to hold opponants to 3 pts agame for us to have a prayer.

[NaptownChief]

His agent probably isn't doing him any favors but every bit as much is on Peterson. With a couple recent rare exceptions like Tamba last year Peterson is usually one of the last GM's able to get his 1st rounders into camp. Obviously his negotiation style and people skills leave a lot left to be desired.

It is hard to put too much on the agent when the same thing happens nearly every year regardless as to who the agent might be.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

His agent probably isn't doing him any favors but every bit as much is on Peterson. With a couple recent rare exceptions like Tamba last year Peterson is usually one of the last GM's able to get his 1st rounders into camp. Obviously his negotiation style and people skills leave a lot left to be desired.

It is hard to put too much on the agent when the same thing happens nearly every year regardless as to who the agent might be.

hmm...I thought Sims was the only holdout in several years...

[Messier]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

hmm...I thought Sims was the only holdout in several years...

That's right. At least LJ, DJ, and Hali were all in on time.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

hmm...I thought Sims was the only holdout in several years...

I know Tamba was in on time and I pretty sure you are correct about DJ. I don't remember if LJ was or not. Time rips by when you start to get old. But regardless I would be quite certain that Peterson would rank very near the bottom of the NFL based on the average time it takes to sign first round picks.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I know Tamba was in on time and I pretty sure you are correct about DJ. I don't remember if LJ was or not. Time rips by when you start to get old. But regardless I would be quite certain that Peterson would rank very near the bottom of the NFL based on the average time it takes to sign first round picks.

Went back and looked it up and actually I was wrong...LJ was done well before camp and DJ was actually done a little late after camp had started.

So I think only LJ and Tamba were signed before camp kicked off in recent history.

[StcChief]

It's ultimately Bowe's loss.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by StcChief

It's ultimately Bowe's loss.

It's not a one way street....The Chiefs spent a high pick on him and if getting behind hurts his career it is ultimately a loss for team and player.

The difference between getting high production guys like Tamba and Derrick Johnson versus turds like Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii's adds up quick.

[Skip Towne]

If what I read on here is true it is all on Locke. He refuses to even discuss it until Quinn signs.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

It's not a one way street....The Chiefs spent a high pick on him and if getting behind hurts his career it is ultimately a loss for team and player.

The difference between getting high production guys like Tamba and Derrick Johnson versus turds like Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii's adds up quick.

I agree that it only helps the player and the team to get a player in camp on time, but if the player is really good it doesn't matter. DT missed all of camp was signed days before his first game, Gonzalez, was signed late in camp. If Bowe is good he'll be good without camp, He'll be be better this year with more camp, that is true, but it won't hurt him long term. Sims would have been bad even if he had signed early, it wouldn't have mattered

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

If what I read on here is true it is all on Locke. He refuses to even discuss it until Quinn signs.

It is possible but football organizations have PR and media people to outlet what they want people to hear. Agents don't or at least not to the same level. So I would be surprised if it is as one sided as we are being told.

And even if it is true, a GM with good people and negotiating skills should be able to get the agent to the table even if his initial desire is to wait and ride the coat tails of Quinn's contract. That is what good salesmen do, is get people to close even though they didn't originally want to.

[milkman]

I'm not going to debate Carl's negotiating skills, but the fact that this is Ethan Locke's agency, an agent who has a history with Carl, and a group that has a history of getting rookies in camp late says that it's not just Carl that is the problem here.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by Messier

I agree that it only helps the player and the team to get a player in camp on time, but if the player is really good it doesn't matter. DT missed all of camp was signed days before his first game, Gonzalez, was signed late in camp. If Bowe is good he'll be good without camp, He'll be be better this year with more camp, that is true, but it won't hurt him long term. Sims would have been bad even if he had signed early, it wouldn't have mattered

I would largely agree with that but the game can be very mental and somebody with a ton of talent to succeed but not extremely tough between the ears could be made or broken based on getting in early. The difference between being able to learn at a reasonable pace as opposed to being force fed at an extreme pace, feeling the extra pressure from your teammates and coaching staff for being late etc could be the difference in coming in and clicking or coming in and being completely rattled. Being mentally overwhelmed could lead to a case of the dropsies also being overwhelmed leads to how your teammates view you and the level of respect they develop towards you etc. A WR losing confidence in his hands can be a lot like a golfer getting the yips with his putter. Some don't recover.

That is an extreme example but stuff like that can certainly play out. A great player that is mentally tough isn't going to be set back much by a hold out but a potentially great player that isn't real mentally tough could be.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm not going to debate Carl's negotiating skills, but the fact that this is Ethan Locke's agency, an agent who has a history with Carl, and a group that has a history of getting rookies in camp late says that it's not just Carl that is the problem here.

There is no doubt that it is not just Peterson. Largely my point is that even if the agent is a pain in the ass that is creating obstacles a good GM will still likely overcome those obstacles and get it done. Peterson doesn't appear capable of overcoming anything less than an ideal situation.

[Halfcan]

badly wrong indeed.

[Halfcan]

I would largly agree with that.