JoPo: MAJOR changes coming for the Chiefs this offseason? - Page 2

FloridaMan88 · 12-15-2007, 11:44 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/405684.html

JOE POSNANSKI COMMENTARY
Taking blame requires action

There are a lot of people trying to take the blame over at One Arrowhead Drive. The Chiefs’ offices resemble the “I’m Spartacus” scene in the movie, you know, when all the slaves were jumping up and shouting, “I’m Spartacus.” It’s just like that, except without Kirk Douglas and people wearing tunics.

Oh yeah, everybody’s jumping up and shouting, “I’m at fault.” If you are keeping score at home: Chiefs coach Herm Edwards took the blame last week (“I’ve got broad shoulders.”). Moments later, though, Chiefs president Carl Peterson blocked Edwards’ attempt to take the blame by taking it himself (“Blame me, OK? If you want to blame someone, blame me.”). After that, several players said it was silly for the coach or the GM to take the blame when it was clearly the players’ fault.

Then a few cheerleaders reportedly admitted they have not been as cheery as in past years, and they want some of the blame, too.

Some people suggested they were all at fault, all of them, everyone from the coaches to the players to the clubhouse guys to the people who clean up the stadium after games. This seems especially unfair to the people who clean stadiums after games. It’s bad enough they have to clean up substances chemists wouldn’t touch while wearing radiation suits. They don’t also need to take the blame for the Chiefs’ offensive line problems.

Point is that everyone sees that this season has gone down the tubes. It will only get worse from here. If the Chiefs win out, we will scream that they blew their shot at a decent draft pick. If the Chiefs lose out, they will have their worst record in 25 years (anyway, only really crummy teams lose out to get draft picks). Nobody’s going to be happy about anything that happens the rest of the way. The ship has already hit the iceberg — we’re all just waiting for the water to reach neck level.

And while it’s good to see so many people involved with the Chiefs trying to take the blame — Mitch Holthus, don’t you think it’s about time you take some blame here? Lenny? Grigs? — that’s a first step. It’s easy to “take blame.” I remember once writing a column about how a team messed up something badly. One guy in the front office called to say: “It’s entirely my fault. I blew it. I take full responsibility.”

OK, so the next day I ripped him in the paper for messing up. And the poor guy freaked out. He seemed to think, “I take full responsibility” was just a saying, kind of like, “Have a nice day,” or “Ding, fries are done.” He didn’t think there would be actual consequences. That’s sort of how it goes these days. People seem to think that, “I take responsibility” has become just a get-out-of-jail-free card, a meaningless cliché for coaches and players (and also criminals) to sputter when things don’t go right. Then they leave everything exactly the same.

So that’s why I say it’s only a first step for the Chiefs. The second step means blowing things up, which will be a lot harder and more involved than grabbing for blame.

The Chiefs are broken. Humpty Dumpty broken. Off-the-record interviews with several Chiefs insiders lead me to believe that this is understood — the Chiefs cannot fix this team. They can only salvage a few parts and start again. The word inside Arrowhead is that at least 20 players from this year’s team will have to go at the end of the year. That’s almost half the roster. You can undoubtedly guess some of the players who will be sent packing — the aging corners will be gone, the entire right side of the offensive line will be gone — but you can expect some surprises, too.

The word inside Arrowhead is that the offense will be completely redesigned, top to bottom — they will take whatever pages remain from Dick Vermeil/Al Saunders and throw them in fireplaces. To be blunt, I don’t see any resemblance between the plays the Chiefs run now and the plays they ran when Vermeil and Saunders were here (the Vermeil/Saunders plays tended to, you know, work). But either way, here’s hoping that little 2-yard out pass to Kris Wilson is the first play to go into the fire.

The word inside Arrowhead is that the whole Chiefs philosophy will change — no more aging veterans, no more short-term fixes, no more free-agent shortcuts. Even Peterson, who has for years refused to even utter the “R” word, admitted last week that the Chiefs are, in fact, rebuilding. Look for the Chiefs to try and stockpile draft picks (they already have 10), go crazy inviting college free agents, perhaps sign a couple of younger veterans and then go to camp next year with one of the NFL’s youngest and most enthusiastic teams.

So they say they want a revolution (well, you know, we all want to change the world). The question is: Who is going to run the revolution? The answer right now is hazy. Some changes are inevitable. It seems likely that offensive coordinator Mike Solari will be gone. But that’s not going to convince anybody that things are really changing. Maybe some other coaches will go. Maybe there will be a reshuffling in the front office. But clearly the big questions surround the two men trying to take the blame last week.

Start with Edwards. His approval rating is very low — I can’t remember a Kansas City coach who has inspired more nasty e-mails and phone calls. But Edwards is only in his second year as Chiefs coach, and the first year he did take the Chiefs to the playoffs. He certainly has his share of blame, but he was given an old team with a litter of quarterbacks who could not stay healthy, a decomposing offensive line, a defense with issues and a franchise running back who got hurt. He deserves more time.

That leaves Peterson, who last week made a rather odd statement. Doesn’t it seem like the Chiefs lead the NFL in odd statements? Whenever they say anything, it’s like trying to decode quotes from the Riddler on the old Batman TV show.

Anyway, Peterson said he “absolutely” would step down as GM if he decided that was best for the team. “I evaluate myself every year,” he said through his enigma machine. “But I look at the whole body of work.”

Of course, nobody knows what this means. Most read the quote and believe that the fix is in, that Peterson will look at his entire 19 years and, based on the success of the 1990s Marty teams, say to the mirror: “Hey, overall, I’ve done a darned good job. Look at all those early playoff appearances. Let’s go get some dinner! On me!”

It’s possible. But I don’t think that gives Peterson nearly enough credit. He cares monumentally about the Kansas City Chiefs. He is intensely loyal to the Hunt family. He does, despite what many might think, want more than anything for the Chiefs and the fans to win a Super Bowl. And he knows that the half-empty Arrowhead today is a harbinger of things to come.

Now, does this mean that he will step down? Maybe not. But I think he will look very, very hard at himself this offseason and ask himself the hardest questions: “Am I the right guy to lead the Chiefs on a complete reconstruction? Am I the guy who can win back the fans? Can I change enough to build a whole new kind of football team?”

**the Talking Can** · 12-16-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that Jimmy Raye's name has not come up in discussions of who will be the new OC.

so could I, and everyone else

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Worst thing JoPo has written in some time.

why?

That is the most insight any of us has had on what the plans are going to be in the offseason.

FAX · 12-16-2007, 12:27 AM

Great article. This is, frankly, amazing. Can it be that the world at large will eventually begin to realize what Herm has actually done here?

We've heard that our woes fall at the feet of the retirement of our Willies. That our DC was inept. That our OC was stupid. That our defense was the problem. That we had too many veterans. That our FG kicker was inconsistent. On and on. Excuse after excuse.

This disaster is the responsibility of Herm Edwards. Pure and simple. He is an ass clown and a liar. In ancient Egypt, they used to bash in the heads of crummy pharaohs. Someday, when they write the history of the Kansas City Chiefs, I can only hope that they erase Herm's name.

FAX

Chiefspants · 12-16-2007, 12:29 AM

Meh, I'm thinking Carl is going to stay here as long as he can, hes going to ride this team for all it's worth.

ChiefFan31 · 12-16-2007, 12:37 AM

Yep, thinking Carl will step down on his own is about as bad as it gets. He truly believes and marvels at his own 'regular' season success of the 90's and also includes the business aspect of it in his 'self evaluation' bullshit that goes on every year.

What other GM is also the CEO and President? Probably none. Yes you put butts in the seats, but that is not good enough from a GM standpoint for a football team.

It is also quite obvious like said, that Carl wanted to win this year and played his veterans.

Guy calls us impatient. We have not won a playoff game in 14 years you ****tard. God I want him gone badly. I was never one to jump on that guy in the past, but how can it be more black and white that his time is Over?!

At the beginning of the season, I was for Herm running the team after this year, and I thought even though he lacks intelligence and has a ridiculous, defensive approach to running offense. I thought he could coach defense and draft. I am not sure about either of those now. Looks to me like the team laid down on Herm last Sunday. That is not good. He needs to go too. And he can take that piece of crap Dick Curl with him. How is that guy our QB coach? That might be the gheyest thing about this years squad. I mean tell me, how the hell is he qualified to be a QB coach? Especially now, with having Brodie out there. Every time I see a shot of our QB over there talking to that dumb**** on the sidelines it makes me want to puke.

KCJohnny · 12-16-2007, 12:53 AM

Jo Po is the most engaging writer on the Chiefs beat. Fantastic read by a talented and refreshing voice in the metro area.

**Nzoner** · 12-16-2007, 01:05 AM

There's only one way I ever become a season ticket holder again and that's Clark telling Carl and Herm and every other dipshit at 1 Arrowhead Drive,"there's the door don't let it hit you in the ass."

Eleazar · 12-16-2007, 01:42 AM

Well this gives us some hope, that they might be ready to junk the whole roster and start again. Maybe Carl will realize finally his mistakes now that the curtain has been pulled back this year.

Obviously, he's gotten a lot more time than he's deserved, but he brought a team back from the depths once, maybe now if he's convinced that we're in that same spot again we can do it.

RustShack · 12-16-2007, 02:37 AM

I hope Herm would fire his lover Curl along with Solari. Didn't Shula coach Croyle, and Shula is friends with Herm... hmmm

ChiefsFanatic · 12-16-2007, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATSE

Worst thing JoPo has written in some time.

You must not read his work very often. Can we trade him back to Cleveland for......anything.

**HemiEd** · 12-16-2007, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

The word inside Arrowhead is that the offense will be completely redesigned, top to bottom — they will take whatever pages remain from Dick Vermeil/Al Saunders and throw them in fireplaces. To be blunt, I don’t see any resemblance between the plays the Chiefs run now and the plays they ran when Vermeil and Saunders were here (the Vermeil/Saunders plays tended to, you know, work). But either way, here’s hoping that little 2-yard out pass to Kris Wilson is the first play to go into the fire.

**Skip Towne** · 12-16-2007, 08:34 AM

I just evaluated myself and I've decided I'm a great guy.

Warrior5 · 12-16-2007, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

why?

That is the most insight any of us has had on what the plans are going to be in the offseason.

I don't agree it was poorly written, but neither will I agree that it provides any "insight",

Quite frankly, it's absolutely no surprise. There's no "exclusive, breaking news" in this article for me. Now, if JoPo had stated that the official position of the Chiefs was to do business as usual this coming off-season, that would be news.

thehead · 12-16-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Good Article....

As long as Herm is here, there isnt any hope for future success...

Unless someone takes us back to 1986.

More like 1926 leather helmets baby

Rasputin · 12-16-2007, 08:57 AM

I think that since they (Herm & Prickerson) said that they were to blame that then everyone would say "It's oooOKKK" and let them off the hook. Neither are worthy to come back next year.

I think this article is dead on that they are just trying to get out of trouble by taking the blame. It's the only way they can save themselves from being tar and feathered. I say they should still be tar and feathered and drug out of KC.

12-15-2007, 11:44 PM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-597094	JoPo: MAJOR changes coming for the Chiefs this offseason? http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/405684.html JOE POSNANSKI COMMENTARY Taking blame requires action There are a lot of people trying to take the blame over at One Arrowhead Drive. The Chiefs’ offices resemble the “I’m Spartacus” scene in the movie, you know, when all the slaves were jumping up and shouting, “I’m Spartacus.” It’s just like that, except without Kirk Douglas and people wearing tunics. Oh yeah, everybody’s jumping up and shouting, “I’m at fault.” If you are keeping score at home: Chiefs coach Herm Edwards took the blame last week (“I’ve got broad shoulders.”). Moments later, though, Chiefs president Carl Peterson blocked Edwards’ attempt to take the blame by taking it himself (“Blame me, OK? If you want to blame someone, blame me.”). After that, several players said it was silly for the coach or the GM to take the blame when it was clearly the players’ fault. Then a few cheerleaders reportedly admitted they have not been as cheery as in past years, and they want some of the blame, too. Some people suggested they were all at fault, all of them, everyone from the coaches to the players to the clubhouse guys to the people who clean up the stadium after games. This seems especially unfair to the people who clean stadiums after games. It’s bad enough they have to clean up substances chemists wouldn’t touch while wearing radiation suits. They don’t also need to take the blame for the Chiefs’ offensive line problems. Point is that everyone sees that this season has gone down the tubes. It will only get worse from here. If the Chiefs win out, we will scream that they blew their shot at a decent draft pick. If the Chiefs lose out, they will have their worst record in 25 years (anyway, only really crummy teams lose out to get draft picks). Nobody’s going to be happy about anything that happens the rest of the way. The ship has already hit the iceberg — we’re all just waiting for the water to reach neck level. And while it’s good to see so many people involved with the Chiefs trying to take the blame — Mitch Holthus, don’t you think it’s about time you take some blame here? Lenny? Grigs? — that’s a first step. It’s easy to “take blame.” I remember once writing a column about how a team messed up something badly. One guy in the front office called to say: “It’s entirely my fault. I blew it. I take full responsibility.” OK, so the next day I ripped him in the paper for messing up. And the poor guy freaked out. He seemed to think, “I take full responsibility” was just a saying, kind of like, “Have a nice day,” or “Ding, fries are done.” He didn’t think there would be actual consequences. That’s sort of how it goes these days. People seem to think that, “I take responsibility” has become just a get-out-of-jail-free card, a meaningless cliché for coaches and players (and also criminals) to sputter when things don’t go right. Then they leave everything exactly the same. So that’s why I say it’s only a first step for the Chiefs. The second step means blowing things up, which will be a lot harder and more involved than grabbing for blame. The Chiefs are broken. Humpty Dumpty broken. Off-the-record interviews with several Chiefs insiders lead me to believe that this is understood — the Chiefs cannot fix this team. They can only salvage a few parts and start again. The word inside Arrowhead is that at least 20 players from this year’s team will have to go at the end of the year. That’s almost half the roster. You can undoubtedly guess some of the players who will be sent packing — the aging corners will be gone, the entire right side of the offensive line will be gone — but you can expect some surprises, too. The word inside Arrowhead is that the offense will be completely redesigned, top to bottom — they will take whatever pages remain from Dick Vermeil/Al Saunders and throw them in fireplaces. To be blunt, I don’t see any resemblance between the plays the Chiefs run now and the plays they ran when Vermeil and Saunders were here (the Vermeil/Saunders plays tended to, you know, work). But either way, here’s hoping that little 2-yard out pass to Kris Wilson is the first play to go into the fire. The word inside Arrowhead is that the whole Chiefs philosophy will change — no more aging veterans, no more short-term fixes, no more free-agent shortcuts. Even Peterson, who has for years refused to even utter the “R” word, admitted last week that the Chiefs are, in fact, rebuilding. Look for the Chiefs to try and stockpile draft picks (they already have 10), go crazy inviting college free agents, perhaps sign a couple of younger veterans and then go to camp next year with one of the NFL’s youngest and most enthusiastic teams. So they say they want a revolution (well, you know, we all want to change the world). The question is: Who is going to run the revolution? The answer right now is hazy. Some changes are inevitable. It seems likely that offensive coordinator Mike Solari will be gone. But that’s not going to convince anybody that things are really changing. Maybe some other coaches will go. Maybe there will be a reshuffling in the front office. But clearly the big questions surround the two men trying to take the blame last week. Start with Edwards. His approval rating is very low — I can’t remember a Kansas City coach who has inspired more nasty e-mails and phone calls. But Edwards is only in his second year as Chiefs coach, and the first year he did take the Chiefs to the playoffs. He certainly has his share of blame, but he was given an old team with a litter of quarterbacks who could not stay healthy, a decomposing offensive line, a defense with issues and a franchise running back who got hurt. He deserves more time. That leaves Peterson, who last week made a rather odd statement. Doesn’t it seem like the Chiefs lead the NFL in odd statements? Whenever they say anything, it’s like trying to decode quotes from the Riddler on the old Batman TV show. Anyway, Peterson said he “absolutely” would step down as GM if he decided that was best for the team. “I evaluate myself every year,” he said through his enigma machine. “But I look at the whole body of work.” Of course, nobody knows what this means. Most read the quote and believe that the fix is in, that Peterson will look at his entire 19 years and, based on the success of the 1990s Marty teams, say to the mirror: “Hey, overall, I’ve done a darned good job. Look at all those early playoff appearances. Let’s go get some dinner! On me!” It’s possible. But I don’t think that gives Peterson nearly enough credit. He cares monumentally about the Kansas City Chiefs. He is intensely loyal to the Hunt family. He does, despite what many might think, want more than anything for the Chiefs and the fans to win a Super Bowl. And he knows that the half-empty Arrowhead today is a harbinger of things to come. Now, does this mean that he will step down? Maybe not. But I think he will look very, very hard at himself this offseason and ask himself the hardest questions: “Am I the right guy to lead the Chiefs on a complete reconstruction? Am I the guy who can win back the fans? Can I change enough to build a whole new kind of football team?”
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12-16-2007, 12:27 AM	#18
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Great article. This is, frankly, amazing. Can it be that the world at large will eventually begin to realize what Herm has actually done here? We've heard that our woes fall at the feet of the retirement of our Willies. That our DC was inept. That our OC was stupid. That our defense was the problem. That we had too many veterans. That our FG kicker was inconsistent. On and on. Excuse after excuse. This disaster is the responsibility of Herm Edwards. Pure and simple. He is an ass clown and a liar. In ancient Egypt, they used to bash in the heads of crummy pharaohs. Someday, when they write the history of the Kansas City Chiefs, I can only hope that they erase Herm's name. FAX
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12-16-2007, 12:29 AM	#19
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12-16-2007, 12:37 AM	#20
ChiefFan31 Keeping a close eye Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $10004900	Yep, thinking Carl will step down on his own is about as bad as it gets. He truly believes and marvels at his own 'regular' season success of the 90's and also includes the business aspect of it in his 'self evaluation' bullshit that goes on every year. What other GM is also the CEO and President? Probably none. Yes you put butts in the seats, but that is not good enough from a GM standpoint for a football team. It is also quite obvious like said, that Carl wanted to win this year and played his veterans. Guy calls us impatient. We have not won a playoff game in 14 years you **tard. God I want him gone badly. I was never one to jump on that guy in the past, but how can it be more black and white that his time is Over?! At the beginning of the season, I was for Herm running the team after this year, and I thought even though he lacks intelligence and has a ridiculous, defensive approach to running offense. I thought he could coach defense and draft. I am not sure about either of those now. Looks to me like the team laid down on Herm last Sunday. That is not good. He needs to go too. And he can take that piece of crap Dick Curl with him. How is that guy our QB coach? That might be the gheyest thing about this years squad. I mean tell me, how the hell is he qualified to be a QB coach? Especially now, with having Brodie out there. Every time I see a shot of our QB over there talking to that dumb** on the sidelines it makes me want to puke.
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12-16-2007, 12:53 AM	#21
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12-16-2007, 01:05 AM	#22
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12-16-2007, 01:42 AM	#23
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Well this gives us some hope, that they might be ready to junk the whole roster and start again. Maybe Carl will realize finally his mistakes now that the curtain has been pulled back this year. Obviously, he's gotten a lot more time than he's deserved, but he brought a team back from the depths once, maybe now if he's convinced that we're in that same spot again we can do it.
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12-16-2007, 02:37 AM	#24
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12-16-2007, 08:34 AM	#27
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12-16-2007, 08:57 AM	#30
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $185421	I think that since they (Herm & Prickerson) said that they were to blame that then everyone would say "It's oooOKKK" and let them off the hook. Neither are worthy to come back next year. I think this article is dead on that they are just trying to get out of trouble by taking the blame. It's the only way they can save themselves from being tar and feathered. I say they should still be tar and feathered and drug out of KC.
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