Do pro athletes have a responsibility to sign for their fans?

[DTLB58]

I wrote this shortly after returning home from River Falls in early August.

I know there aren't a lot of Herm fans here right now, but here's another way to look at things. Guess it's not always about the X's and O's.



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Do pro athletes have a responsibility to sign for their fans? By Mark Kappel



For years fans have chased after their favorite athletes, waited in long lines at organized autograph signing sessions, (I have waited as long as 5 hours under the hot sun to obtain an autograph) paid literally hundreds if not thousands of dollars just to get a signature of the athlete on a treasured piece of sports memorabilia. A lot of athletes will even sign for free and most of them do it willingly especially for kids.

But what happens when the athlete gives the fan a cold shoulder?

I recently encountered such a moment and it got me thinking, if what I was asking for was the right thing to do and what was the athlete thinking when he denied me the autograph?

I’m not here to unequivocally say what is right or wrong because to do that, I think one would have to have spent a day in both the fan and the athlete’s shoes and I have not done that. I merely will share my story and bring to light a few issues.

From the fans perspective: I would say the #1 reason for the fan to obtain an autograph is so that he or she can say and have proof that they met the athlete. In today’s Internet world we can basically buy anything with anyone’s named on it if you just take the time to search and have the money. But to actually have the item signed right in front of you so that you know it’s not a forged signature is pretty special.

Secondly, to have the prized piece of memorabilia displayed to admire and show off to others in a room that reminds us of memories of when and how it was obtained is nice.

Lastly, for the money. Let’s face it, there are a lot of people out there looking to make a buck off of someone else’s name. I met two such individuals at a recent signing session. They told me they were not fans of any specific team or players that were their that night just as autograph seekers and that one day down the road when they retire they are going to sell everything they have collected over the years and use it to help supplement their income.

This probably leads us to the #1 reason for athletes that don’t want to sign. As I mentioned earlier it seems the athlete is more willingly to sign if the seeker is a child. They probably think that the youngster is a lot more likely to hang on to the cherished item they just received rather than run out to the nearest street corner or favorite on-line auction site and sell it to the highest bidder.

Secondly, and arguably first in some eyes, invasion of privacy. Who wants to always be hounded down when you’re out in public? Maybe you are with the family trying to enjoy some quality time only to have your conversation interrupted by a fan seeking that elusive personalized autograph!

Thirdly, The athlete just doesn’t feel it’s their obligation to sign. It’s a hassle, they might be in a hurry, late for an important appointment and this clown is following me around, don’t they have anything better to do? Get a Life, they may feel like saying.

So why shouldn’t athletes sign at will for autograph seekers? Most would argue that we as fans pay their salaries.
The club owners get write-offs to depreciate their high salaries. Taxpayers help build new stadiums and arenas.
Some fans like myself that have spent thousands of dollars through the years (34 to be exact) on their team and favorite players jersey’s, player cards, game tickets, etc and shed many a tears through the ups and downs not mentioning defending their team through good and bad that we may feel the player owes us to take a few minutes out of their day to say thank you for all the support through the years.

Is that too much to ask? Apparently, as you will read next, for one player that was too much to ask for.

On a Saturday morning in early August, my oldest son, Nick, and I, made the 3 ½ hour, 187 mile trip up to River Falls, Wisconsin location of the summer home of the Kansas City Chiefs training camp.

Before leaving for training camp I heard a press statement from Chiefs Tight End, Tony Gonzalez earlier in the week. He had stated he was 95% sure he was playing next season but not sure of his playing future after that. With Tony being one of, if not the biggest star players for the Chiefs and a sure thing for the Pro Football Hall of Fame one day. I thought this is the time to get his autograph like I had done so many other players at training camp in past years. I knew it wasn’t going to be easy to obtain his signature. The rumor I had heard from others in past years at training camp, that, aside from the team scheduled organized 20 minute signing sessions (Family fun night) Tony was most inclined to sign if you were female, blonde and shall we say…. well endowed on their top half. (More on this later).
But I searched on-line anyhow found the jersey I wanted him to autograph, had it shipped overnight (Cha Ching!) to ensure its arrival on time. The next day the jersey arrived and so we were ready to go.

Upon arrival in River Falls we met up with some friends (Bill and son, Andy) that had already been up in the North woods as some call it for 2 days. We had some lunch, spent a little time chatting.

After lunch, Bill mentioned that we could tour the Chiefs training facilities. Through the years visiting training camp, Bill had made some friends and this particular one had access to some areas at the college. So we headed over to the sports complex and sure enough before we know it we were inside that white building at the end of the playing field which for so many years before had seemed so off limits with it’s tight security and signs surrounding the exterior reading “Chiefs personnel only beyond this point! We were shown the weight room and then the player’s locker room. Our tour guide allowed us to take a picture sitting in front of Tony Gonzalez’s locker holding his helmet! Wow! That was something special.

After our tour, Bill drove down to where the player’s dorms are where they stay while in town. Shortly after we drove up players and coaches started coming out to get into their cars.

We first saw and approached, Wide Receiver Dwayne Bowe and Quarterback, Brodie Croyle. I asked Brodie if he would autograph the Chiefs hat I was wearing and he politely obliged. Bill and his son, Andy got pictures with Dwayne.

Next out came Herm Edwards, Head Coach of the Chiefs. Bill asked if we could take pictures with him and Herm also politely did so. First with my son, Nick, and me, then with Bill and Andy. (I have this picture in an 8 X 10 frame on my wall next to where I am writing this). The picture will remain special to me for a long time not only for who is in the picture but because of the memory I have of how Herm greeted us that day. The professional way he handled himself when some strange fans walked up to him. Starting with a warm smile, a firm handshake, a few laughs, and even took the time after the picture to answer a few team related questions.

A few minutes later out came who I had been waiting for! Tony Gonzalez. As I started my fast paced walk towards Mr. Gonzalez, I heard Andy behind me saying there ya go Mark, you’re going to get it. As I got closer to him I saw Bill and Nick who were ahead of me slowing and turning around. Tony had said to them “You guys aren’t supposed to be over here” (the dorms). I continued anyways, and asked him if he would sign my jersey? (I was wearing the bright red new # 88) he said NO! I’ll catch ya tonight at Family fun night. With that, Tony got in his vehicle and drove off.

All the years of supporting, cheering, and watching as he broke all the records and scored all those touchdowns seemed distant and unimportant. I wished at that moment, our paths had not crossed that day so the image I had of him had not been tarnished.

I tried to think what it was that we did to him to respond that way? He said we weren’t supposed to be over there, but there were no signs saying so, no security personnel or roped off areas to keep fans away. The head coach of the team had just met us in that same parking lot and said nothing of the sort. I wondered if I was a 7 year old kid would that have made him react differently and if so, was I doing something childish as an adult then?

Family Fun night came and passed without me getting the Jersey signed. There were 1,700 fans there, hoping that the 20 minutes allowed by Chiefs officials was enough time to get the signature they wanted. As I watched the crowd around Tony, many being little kids it didn’t seem as important to get the signature as before.

After the festivities at the stadium we all headed back to the popular restaurant in town where we had met for lunch earlier that day. As I was sitting at our table a woman at the bar turned to me and started saying something I couldn’t hear her over the music so I walked over to where she was sitting and she said, “Tony Gonzalez signed his size 12 football cleats and gave them to me” I told her we had met him over at the dorms earlier in the day and he wouldn’t sign for me. She said “Yea, I heard” She then exclaimed “I must be special” I just smiled, nodded and walked back over to our table to finish my meal, when I looked back over to the lady I just spoken with I realized two things about her, she was a) blonde and b) no wait, make that D as in probably a 40D bra size!

I went up there that day hoping to meet a player I idolized,and to thank him for all he had given as a Chief through the years. Instead, I returned with renewed respect and admiration for a man I thought I didn’t like very much but now know different. Thanks Coach!

[Micjones]

I believe that players should be graceful enough to sign a few autographs here and there.

I also believe there's a code fans should abide by when asking though.
First and foremost, don't approach someone while they're eating.

[JuicesFlowing]

Pro athletes should only sign autographs for kids, period.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

Pro athletes should only sign autographs for kids, period.

I don't think there's anything wrong with adult autograph-seekers.
Of course there is the "sell the newly signed materials on Ebay" contingent, but there are some who are purely just fans of the player, team or sport.

[plbrdude]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Probably because those that are doing it are making a couple thousand to tens of thousand a year..

not off this team they ain't.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by plbrdude

not off this team they ain't.

The people that do this, do it for more then one team or teams...

[plbrdude]

Originally Posted by Valiant

The people that do this, do it for more then one team or teams...

ummmm... i kinda knew that. just trying to jab at the team a little.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by plbrdude

ummmm... i kinda knew that. just trying to jab at the team a little.

touche

[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

Pro athletes should only sign autographs for kids, period.

Totally agree. Otherwise, it's just lame. Boobs being the exception.

[BigRedChief]

I've met Tony G several times away from Arrowhead.Enough that he knows my name. We are not friends or anything like that just that he knows me from charity work.

I've been to Tony G's place down on the Plaza. I've seen him in public numerous times. Every second of every day when he's in KC in public someone is trying to get his autograph or get a picture with him.

I've never seen him be rude or mean to a fan.

Just my experience.

[Consistent1]

The kids thing is dumb. Most kids don't give a crap anyway. They get dragged out to camp when they would rather go to Chuck E. Cheese. They get autographs they don't even care about, and the parents take them. Then they get ice cream later for doing so. There are a lot of true fans among kids, but many could care less. Sign, or don't sign. It's that simple. I have always thought Gonzo came across as a douche. He refuses to sign stuff that a fan obviously bought. Then some big titties get in his way and he gives away something the damn team pays for. Sign, or don't sign. I wish this guy could get his my back from buying the damn jersey. What an asshat if it all really went down like that. At least the idiot won't "get married" because he knows he would be lying.

[Rain Man]

While the fans pay Tony's salary, I guess I don't think he should be on call 24/7 to sign autographs anywhere they find him. As a fan, I pay his salary* to catch footballs and block Broncos headfirst into the turf. I don't view autograph signing as part of his job duties.




*I'm not sure I really pay his salary since I average about $50 in Chiefs-related purchases per year, but let's run with the assumption.

[Chief Chief]

Based on the initial reaction by Gonzalez ("You guys aren't supposed to be over here"), it's clear to me that he wasn't expecting to see any fans in that area. Maybe your host who got you access could have initially approached the players/coaches you were seeking to explain the purpose of your presence. You even said there were off-limits signs around. The Chiefs are entitled to their space and, more importantly, a sense of security. So, bottom line: You really have a half-full glass for getting the autographs/photso you did without getting the dogs (security guards) called on you.

[RibKing67]

Originally Posted by Micjones

I believe that players should be graceful enough to sign a few autographs here and there.

I also believe there's a code fans should abide by when asking though.
First and foremost, don't approach someone while they're eating.

At least wait till they have a cocktail after dinner. J/K

I dont think they are responsible to sign and I know that some can not sign due to contract agreements. It is written into alot of contracts how many autographs are to be done and on what team merchandise.

Personally I think it would be an honor for people to want my autograph.
I think the celebrity and the cash go to these players heads so fast they soon dont care much about fans anyway. They are better than us you know.

[dj56dt58]

Originally Posted by GoBo

Eh, I'm sure it gets annoying, but the fans do pay your salary. Then again I'm sure it's frustrating to see people selling shit you've signed on eBay. I wouldn't have a problem with a "kids only" policy, sorry but if you're an adult and trying to get an autograph you're either going to sell it or you're a tool.

or a collector?

Whats wrong with getting an autograph. I mean acting like a school girl who just met Justin Timberlake is one thing..but I dont see whats wrong with getting an autograph..People buy autographed memorabilia all the time..why not get it in person for free?

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by dj56dt58

or a collector?

Whats wrong with getting an autograph. I mean acting like a school girl who just met Justin Timberlake is one thing..but I dont see whats wrong with getting an autograph..People buy autographed memorabilia all the time..why not get it in person for free?

You can collect things that aren't autographed. And as far as the rest of your post, I just don't see the significance of having someone's autograph other than using it for financial gain.