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[KCJohnny]

At :44 in this video, the KC ILB (Walden? #52) is driven 10 yards into the secondary before he is thrown on the ground. Awful.

At 1:25, Jarrad Page not only whiffs miserably on that lame attempt to tackle, but he gets plowed at the end of the play by the Carolina guy.

I didn't see the whole game (I am in Korea and the game starts at 0200 hours here) but from the highlights, it appears that the offense actually tackled better after the INTs than the D did against the Carolina O.

The ILB play on this team is very, very bad. Maybe Cunningham needs to hire a LB position coach or else resign as DC and coach the LBs full time. This D has taken a decided plunge into the basement of the NFL. The loss of Jared Allen is huge. It is looking more and more like the soul of this defense was taken out of it when Allen left. He raised the level of play of the entire defense. And Glen Dorsey does not appear to be the force most thought he would be inside.

The safeties look lost and confused. I see DEs chasing RBs 30 yards downfield.

Frankly, I'm sick of Cover 2, sick of giving up 200 rushing yards every week, and sick of seeing the Chiefs D get whacked every week.

[KCJohnny]

On the INT where Bowe broke off his route, one Carolina announcer says, "I'm surprised to see the QB and WR not on the same page like that" and the other replies, "Same page? They aren't even in the same library!"

[dirk digler]

To be fair to Williams he is basically playing with one arm

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

On the INT where Bowe broke off his route, one Carolina announcer says, "I'm surprised to see the QB and WR not on the same page like that" and the other replies, "Same page? They aren't even in the same library!"

Sadly, I laughed.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Please don't tell me what my intentions are, OK? My point is that JA's loss is an impact factor on the miserable decline of this putrid _efense. At least with JA on the corner speed rush, we got to the QB without having to blitz on every passing down.

Also, you will not find in any of my posts anywhere that the Chiefs should be winning this year with or without Jared Allen.

FTR, KC was #1 or #2 in RZ scoring defense last year.

My beef isn't even with the passing defense; this rushing defense is getting pushed around like a Pop Warner League team (no offense to you kids out there) to the tune of 200 yards a game. Check out the vid in the thread starter. Our whole DL goes backwards when Carolina snaps the ball.

can't tell what your intentions are with your constant ragging about giveing up JA. You do realize that three very good draft choices were gained? Those three will go further in building this team than to hang on to a guy who didn't want to be here and to stay wanted 70 million. This team had way too many holes to fill. Trading Allen was the only smart move this team has made in several years. Previous post to you is correct. We still lost with him him...4-12. He disappeared in the 4th qtr most games. Like the offense, the defense was pretty easy to figure out what they were going to do. It was just as easy to game plan against Allen as teams do against LJ. Teams made adjustments on Allen. HOw is he doing in Minnestota?
This team in not in the toilet because JA is no longer here. It is plain that this team is in the toilet thanks to Herm, Chan and Gunther. They can't coach, motivate or plan. So, please enough of the demise of this team is due to JA being gone. No one is listening because it doesn't make sense.

[Brock]

This defense wasn't that much better with Allen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

We don't need a SS. Morgan is going to be a good player, he just needs the coaching. I will say that Flowers and Carr have looked very good this year, especially given that they are n00bs, so maybe Gibbs is at least a decent coach. However, Pollard and Page are just not starting caliber players. Pollard is Greg Wesley redux, and Page is a good backup FS, strong Nickel guy.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

No one is listening because it doesn't make sense.

[Demonpenz]

I wish we would move pollard to linebacker

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Brock

This defense wasn't that much better with Allen.

Really?


Kansas City continued its defensive ascent under Edwards and Cunningham a year ago, leading the NFL in third-down defense (30.2%) and negative plays forced (121), while allowing a league-low one TD drive of 10 plays or more. In total, the Chiefs ranked among the NFL’s top five in nine different key defensive categories in 2007.
The Chiefs were especially stingy in terms of scoring defense a year ago. Kansas City ranked second in the league, permitting TDs on just 14.5 percent of its defensive possessions and also ranked second in Red Zone defense (37.2 TD percentage). Kansas City tied for third in the league by allowing only 28 offensive TDs, the club’s best showing in that category since ‘97. Excluding opponents’ return scores, the Chiefs defense gave up 18.6 offensive ppg, the club’s lowest mark since ‘99. Kansas City’s pass defense ranked fifth in the league in 2007 (188.9 ypg). The Chiefs also tied for fifth in the NFL by forcing 47 three-and-outs and permitting 278 first downs.


This year:

PTS
26.2 (27th)

YDS
391.6 (30th)

PASS YDS
209.4 (17th)

RUSH YDS
182.2 (31st)

[Brock]

The rushing defense was lousy then and it is lousy now.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Another well thought out gem from KCJ.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Please don't tell me what my intentions are, OK? My point is that JA's loss is an impact factor on the miserable decline of this putrid _efense. At least with JA on the corner speed rush, we got to the QB without having to blitz on every passing down.

Also, you will not find in any of my posts anywhere that the Chiefs should be winning this year with or without Jared Allen.

FTR, KC was #1 or #2 in RZ scoring defense last year.

My beef isn't even with the passing defense; this rushing defense is getting pushed around like a Pop Warner League team (no offense to you kids out there) to the tune of 200 yards a game. Check out the vid in the thread starter. Our whole DL goes backwards when Carolina snaps the ball.

The decline began when JA was still here. His impact factor was so great that we lost 9 in a row with him on the field. Does that fact still confuse you? And Allen hasn't done squat this year on a much better defensive team. Do you really think we should have paid $70 million for those 11 tackles and 2 sacks in the middle of rebuilding? Seriously?

I don't need to check out the video you posted. Unlike you, I watched the entire game and I'm not commenting on a few select plays from a highlight video.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

The decline began when JA was still here. His impact factor was so great that we lost 9 in a row with him on the field. Does that fact still confuse you? And Allen hasn't done squat this year on a much better defensive team. Do you really think we should have paid $70 million for those 11 tackles and 2 sacks in the middle of rebuilding? Seriously?

I don't need to check out the video you posted. Unlike you, I watched the entire game and I'm not commenting on a few select plays from a highlight video.

Seriously, Nate. Don't waste your time.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Really?


Kansas City continued its defensive ascent under Edwards and Cunningham a year ago, leading the NFL in third-down defense (30.2%) and negative plays forced (121), while allowing a league-low one TD drive of 10 plays or more. In total, the Chiefs ranked among the NFL’s top five in nine different key defensive categories in 2007.
The Chiefs were especially stingy in terms of scoring defense a year ago. Kansas City ranked second in the league, permitting TDs on just 14.5 percent of its defensive possessions and also ranked second in Red Zone defense (37.2 TD percentage). Kansas City tied for third in the league by allowing only 28 offensive TDs, the club’s best showing in that category since ‘97. Excluding opponents’ return scores, the Chiefs defense gave up 18.6 offensive ppg, the club’s lowest mark since ‘99. Kansas City’s pass defense ranked fifth in the league in 2007 (188.9 ypg). The Chiefs also tied for fifth in the NFL by forcing 47 three-and-outs and permitting 278 first downs.


This year:

Here's more stats:

Record: 4-12
4th qt sacks: 0

Big f***ing deal how well we did in the red zone. What difference did that really make? We won 4 games. All the stats in the world won't overcome the fact that we only won 4 f***ing games with Allen "leading" the defense.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

The decline began when JA was still here. His impact factor was so great that we lost 9 in a row with him on the field. Does that fact still confuse you? And Allen hasn't done squat this year on a much better defensive team. Do you really think we should have paid $70 million for those 11 tackles and 2 sacks in the middle of rebuilding? Seriously?

I don't need to check out the video you posted. Unlike you, I watched the entire game and I'm not commenting on a few select plays from a highlight video.

Uh, please cite a quote from me where I said we should have given Allen the money. What I said was that this defense is clearly worse without him.