I don't have faith any Clark Hunt

[RedThat]

I really don't.

I know we all blame Carl, Herm, Gunther, and the rest of the Crew..but really it boils down to ownership. That is the root of the problem and the reason to why the Chiefs suck badly. I don't see any passion or desire for winning? The biggest controversy in Kansas City is a difference of perspectives from the fans and ownership. Fans care and are passionate about football, ownership on the other hand doesn't seem like it.

Why are these FO guys here? Because Clark is allowing them to be here. Which is a joke. I can't think of any team in professional sports that retains the services of an "underachieving GM"..I can't think of one.

I know their is loyalty, and an establishment of relationships between the people you work with blah, blah...but what about winning and results? Why have the Chiefs had more losing seasons throughout the history of their franchise then winning? I think this ownership either needs to change, or shift their thinking to please the fanbase. Because that it is all about. The fans and ownership need to be on the same page and it doesn't seem like its happening.

*So really Im not going to blame Carl, or Herm, or Gunther for this atrocious disaster for this embarrasment that is going on, bad embarrasments that this franchise might be on pace for setting embarassing records on defense...And why no comments from the owner?!? its ridiculous..its joke and it speaks high volumes about what this franchise really is

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Delano

Isn't the youth movement a pretty big statement?

Yes. Thats part of it. Especially if the rumours are true that this season was all about being under the cap for the stadium rebuild.




All im trying to say is,

How does an owner stand pat after a 1 or 2 win season?? How does someone do that? Seriously???


Or back to back seasons of 4 wins or less??

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yes. Thats part of it. Especially if the rumours are true that this season was all about being under the cap for the stadium rebuild.




All im trying to say is,

How does an owner stand pat after a 1 or 2 win season?? How does someone do that? Seriously???


Or back to back seasons of 4 wins or less??

Jerry Jones did it... Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season as head coach of the Cowboys. Three years later he won them the Superbowl. Then repeated it the year after.

Herm is not Jimmy Johnson, but owners do have the patience for it sometimes...

[CupidStunt]

You're unique.









Like everyone else.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Jerry Jones did it... Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season as head coach of the Cowboys. Three years later he won them the Superbowl. Then repeated it the year after.

Herm is not Jimmy Johnson, but owners do have the patience for it sometimes...

Completely different situation. Apples and Oranges. You know that.

The management there was in their first season.

The management here is in its 20th for GM and 3rd for a HC.

I think the fanbase would be a little more tolerant if it was a completely new manangemnt team doing this.

Why should i trust the same two clowns that dug us into this hole in the first place???

[Cornstock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And we'll learn if he's like his Dad or not by if he chooses Terry Bradway to be GM, or as I call him, Carl Peterson Lite. I really, really, really hope for everyone's sake that he won't be that idiotic. But I"m very concerned that he will, playing the same reeruned loyalty/croney card the Chiefs have used for years.

Sorry if ive been living in a cave but who is Terry Bradway?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Cornstock

Sorry if ive been living in a cave but who is Terry Bradway?

Terry Bradway was the former GM of the Jets. Was mentored by Carl Peterson. Same guy who hired a whole set of coaches in New York because he was their buddy in Kansas City. Herm was hired as head coach despite not having experience, Hackett was hired despite the fact that he was run out on a rail in KC, Ted Cottrell was hired to run a 4-3 even though his experience was in a 3-4. This guy is an idiot that hires his friends and his friends only--sound familiar?

There was a rumor in Pro Football Talk(consider the source) that he was being considered. If any of you are scared of another 20 years of Peterson, think of how much it would suck to have a younger guy who acts completely like Carl Peterson.

[Cosmos]

Repeated failures at the draft table doomed this franchise.

[chiefzilla1501]

I've never had a problem with this idea. The Chiefs have spent the last 10 years buying average free agents to fill in holes, and it's been proven time and time again across numerous teams that it doesn't work.

Free agency isn't the answer anymore. Good players are getting protected and those who do hit the open market, there's usually a reason why. I'm fine with the youth movement--we're building a great foundation right now and with another very good draft and maybe 2 or 3 free agents, I think this team is competitive again. Granted, that will depend on the defensive coaches doing their job, and that's just not happening right now.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yes. Thats part of it. Especially if the rumours are true that this season was all about being under the cap for the stadium rebuild.




All im trying to say is,

How does an owner stand pat after a 1 or 2 win season?? How does someone do that? Seriously???


Or back to back seasons of 4 wins or less??

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I've never had a problem with this idea. The Chiefs have spent the last 10 years buying average free agents to fill in holes, and it's been proven time and time again across numerous teams that it doesn't work.

Free agency isn't the answer anymore. Good players are getting protected and those who do hit the open market, there's usually a reason why. I'm fine with the youth movement--we're building a great foundation right now and with another very good draft and maybe 2 or 3 free agents, I think this team is competitive again. Granted, that will depend on the defensive coaches doing their job, and that's just not happening right now.

And thats the problem? The Chiefs sign "average" guys...Very rarely do you ever see them take chances on real impact players? Never seems to happen and thats the reason this franchise is what it is?

I've seen plenty of "impact" players out there sign with other teams and make a difference. I can name so many? Look at Chris Hope and what hes doing in Tennessee? Signed as a FA there and making a difference in their defense. Arguably one of the most underrated Safeties in the league. Drew Brees is a world of a difference in NO...Joey Porter is racking up sacks in Miami. Turns out Michael Turner was a great pickup for Atlanta. Burress made a difference with the Giants and so did Antonio Pierce. Key contributors to helping that team win a bowl. And how about Kurt Warner? Awesome pickup by the Cards!

To say FA isnt the answer, chiefzilla1501 that is nonsense and totally incorrect sir. The Chiefs just dont make a strong enough effort to make a splash and sign guys thatll make a difference on their team like other teams do. thats the problem. Its another way to improve your football team.

Either they're too cheap or have an assessment, evaluation problem?

What do you expect from FA when you sign guys like Devard Darling, Demorrio Williams, Alphonso Boone, an "old" Donnie Edwards, Damion Mcintosh, heck who else? Am I missing anybody? Oh yeah Adrian Jones wow great pickup there? And Ron Edwards?

All Junk players. Scrapes from the bottom of the pile that no other teams want. Therefore you get a sh*t team as a result.

*Id like to see this team go after Julius Peppers, or Haynesworth...see what adifference those guys make because their Probowl impact players. Of course that would be too good to be true. They'll feed the fanbase the excuse "how we gotta go young", we want to build this team through the draft yada yada...If they suck, "were rebuilding"...Meanwhile Clark is being a cheap SOB.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by RedBull

What do you expect from FA when you sign guys like Devard Darling, Demorrio Williams, Alphonso Boone, an "old" Donnie Edwards, Damion Mcintosh, heck who else? Am I missing anybody? Oh yeah Adrian Jones wow great pickup there? And Ron Edwards?

Don't forget Sammie Knight

[TN_Chief]

FA isn't the complete answer...but it's an important piece of the puzzle. Look at the Patriots. A great deal of their roster is FAs, undrafted FAs or trades where they realistically gave up very little (i.e. the player they wanted was undervalued or "troubled" enough that the other team wanted to get rid of them).

Yes, there must be a base of talent that you yourself draft/sign and develop. But you've got to be a player in free agency too...a wise player. You draft/sign for 70-80%...then go after a FA or two to put you over the top.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by RedBull

And thats the problem? The Chiefs sign "average" guys...Very rarely do you ever see them take chances on real impact players? Never seems to happen and thats the reason this franchise is what it is?

I've seen plenty of "impact" players out there sign with other teams and make a difference. I can name so many? Look at Chris Hope and what hes doing in Tennessee? Signed as a FA there and making a difference in their defense. Arguably one of the most underrated Safeties in the league. Drew Brees is a world of a difference in NO...Joey Porter is racking up sacks in Miami. Turns out Michael Turner was a great pickup for Atlanta. Burress made a difference with the Giants and so did Antonio Pierce. Key contributors to helping that team win a bowl. And how about Kurt Warner? Awesome pickup by the Cards!

To say FA isnt the answer, chiefzilla1501 that is nonsense and totally incorrect sir. The Chiefs just dont make a strong enough effort to make a splash and sign guys thatll make a difference on their team like other teams do. thats the problem. Its another way to improve your football team.

Either they're too cheap or have an assessment, evaluation problem?

What do you expect from FA when you sign guys like Devard Darling, Demorrio Williams, Alphonso Boone, an "old" Donnie Edwards, Damion Mcintosh, heck who else? Am I missing anybody? Oh yeah Adrian Jones wow great pickup there? And Ron Edwards?

All Junk players. Scrapes from the bottom of the pile that no other teams want. Therefore you get a sh*t team as a result.

*Id like to see this team go after Julius Peppers, or Haynesworth...see what adifference those guys make because their Probowl impact players. Of course that would be too good to be true. They'll feed the fanbase the excuse "how we gotta go young", we want to build this team through the draft yada yada...If they suck, "were rebuilding"...Meanwhile Clark is being a cheap SOB.

Take a look at the differences in the contracts between the guys you mentioned as "impact players", and the FAs that the Chiefs signed. There's your answer.

Even before the rebuild began, the Chiefs have never pursued high-priced FAs. But at the same time, that doesn't mean that if they would have we would be a playoff team right now. Free agency is what it is. Some teams take advantage of it and use it moderately to help the team. Some teams try to live by FA, and end up hurting the franchise with giant contracts, no cap money, and disgruntled vets.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Clark has a HUGE opputunity after this season to make a statement about what he wants for this team.

He probably is making exactly the statement he wants to make. It's just that most people don't like it.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Cosmos

Repeated failures at the draft table doomed this franchise.

Surely you're not including the 2008 draft in that statement?

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Take a look at the differences in the contracts between the guys you mentioned as "impact players", and the FAs that the Chiefs signed. There's your answer.

Even before the rebuild began, the Chiefs have never pursued high-priced FAs. But at the same time, that doesn't mean that if they would have we would be a playoff team right now. Free agency is what it is. Some teams take advantage of it and use it moderately to help the team. Some teams try to live by FA, and end up hurting the franchise with giant contracts, no cap money, and disgruntled vets.

FA is good and can work to a teams favor. Im not one of those that thinks it's all draft or nothing. You build your team through the draft yes, but also FA and trades. The problem I have with this franchise is they think it's all draft. And thats just nonsense. Talk about building your team with a closed mind?

It's all about being smart. It's working within the markets demands and seeing if the market has the BPA that can satisfy positions of need on your team. Of course that FA has to be the right fit for your team. One year the market will be full of LB's for example, next year it may be full of DB's?

Obviously if your team is stacked with LB's your not gonna go and sign an expensive FA LB?

If you need a LBer on other hand, you may want to make that splash? Take this year for example. Vilma is out there, MLB is a position of need for the Chiefs. Would it be wise to take a chance on a guy like Vilma? Maybe? Maybe not? But we do know the Chiefs could use a stud at MLB? And it is a position of need. Now will they go after Vilma? I highly doubt it. Because thats not how this franchise operates. I swear there were numerous times where I seen BPA out there that would satisfy positions of need on the Chiefs and the Chiefs just let these players pass them by.

*I also want to comment, FA is like anything else though? Even the draft, if you don't draft well it hurts your franchise and can be a major setback. It's all about making the right moves. Everything is hit or miss my friend. The draft, FA, trades are all the same way. Hit or miss.