Football Mayo named Defensive rookie of the year - Page 2

journeyscarab · 12-31-2008, 10:57 AM

Idk why he won this...i think flowers could have won it.

Mr. Laz · 12-31-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

But Scott Pioli's draft record is overrated

Pioli sucks /Warpath58

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-31-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I wonder how many games the Jets would have won with Chad Pennington as their QB?

I say 10...Favre SUCKED this year. Plain and simple. Turnover machine.

I predicted he'd have 16 TDs and 26 picks, so he actually overachieved what I thought he'd do...then again, he only turned into Brett Favre in the last half of the season. Had he been that Favre the whole year, he would have thrown 35-40 picks.

Hootie · 12-31-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

He may have been there, but they may not have been able to trade back that far. He was the guy they wanted, and they got him, and there's no guarantee he would have been there had they moved back too far.
They got their man, and extra picks. That is a successful trade. Not only that, but the guy turned out to be the most productive player drafted.
If you can't view that as a success....well..

It's a linebacker...they could have drafted a guy in the 2nd round, thrusted him into that lineup, and he could have recorded 100 tackles and been rookie of the year...

Statistics on linebackers don't always tell the story...I'm not saying Mayo wasn't a good player this year...I'm just saying he wasn't some amazing draft pick by Pioli.

They reached for the guy...if drafting a guy 10 picks early because they're not used to drafting top 10 is another 'homerun'...then yikes.

beach tribe · 12-31-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

if we had won more than 2 freakin games some of our players might of received real consideration.

This. And if we would have had pass rush Flowers would have shined like a diamond. I can't wait to see what this guy can really do. He's gonna be special. I don't care who won the award Flowers may very well be the best D player from this draft.

Hootie · 12-31-2008, 12:14 PM

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I predicted he'd have 16 TDs and 26 picks, so he actually overachieved what I thought he'd do...then again, he only turned into Brett Favre in the last half of the season. Had he been that Favre the whole year, he would have thrown 35-40 picks.

He almost had me fooled when they were 8-3...my friends are Packers fans and I've ragged on Favre for years and those guys will never say a bad thing about him...it's always the receiver running the wrong route or blah blah blah...the dude has been MEDIOCRE for the last 5-6 years...he loses more games than he wins...

Aaron Rodgers led the Packers to more offensive points in less drives than Favre did a year ago...the Packers 6-10 record is a reflection on their defense...of course these same dudes claim the Packers are still a 13 win team with Favre...the same Favre who choked away a potential Super Bowl appearance with a Favre-esque overtime INT against the Giants @ Lambeau in the NFC Championship last season.

suds79 · 12-31-2008, 12:14 PM

yeah LBer is just one of those postions that's good for stats.

It's like it when rookie RBs win ROY awards... Again easy to pile up stats.

Not saying Mayo isn't a good player. Just saying this doesn't shock me.

Hootie · 12-31-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

This. And if we would have had pass rush Flowers would have shined like a diamond. I can't wait to see what this guy can really do. He's gonna be special. I don't care who won the award Flowers may very well be the best D player from this draft.

Depends.

From what I understand, Flowers is suppose to be the PERFECT cover 2 cornerback...

How much cover 2 will we be playing next season? Our players were all drafted to play for Herm and Herm's system...that's some food for thought...if we switch to 3-4, what are we going to do with Dorsey? Is he versatile enough to be an end?

beach tribe · 12-31-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

It's a linebacker...they could have drafted a guy in the 2nd round, thrusted him into that lineup, and he could have recorded 100 tackles and been rookie of the year...

Statistics on linebackers don't always tell the story...I'm not saying Mayo wasn't a good player this year...I'm just saying he wasn't some amazing draft pick by Pioli.

They reached for the guy...if drafting a guy 10 picks early because they're not used to drafting top 10 is another 'homerun'...then yikes.

Why don't you tell me what LB they could have picked in 2nd. And if that's true why didn't the LBs picked in 2nd come anywhere near his production. While I agree with what you're saying about LB statistics, the guy played great this year. it wasn't all about his #s. He was a hell of a player in college, and had agreat rookie yr.

Mr. Laz · 12-31-2008, 12:17 PM

Favre has always needed someone to keep a leash on him or he just gets wild and out of control.

gotta hire a coach to just sit there and nag Favre before every play ..... "see it before you throw it" "don't just chuck it" "Be smart"

over and over again

beach tribe · 12-31-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Depends.

From what I understand, Flowers is suppose to be the PERFECT cover 2 cornerback...

How much cover 2 will we be playing next season? Our players were all drafted to play for Herm and Herm's system...that's some food for thought...if we switch to 3-4, what are we going to do with Dorsey? Is he versatile enough to be an end?

Flowers has the talent to play in any defense. I'll bet he can be a shutdown man 2 man corner with a pass rush. We didn't play much cover 2 this year anyway. It's just our base package.

Hootie · 12-31-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Why don't you tell me what LB they could have picked in 2nd. And if that's true why didn't the LBs picked in 2nd come anywhere near his production. While I agree with what you're saying about LB statistics, the guy played great this year. it wasn't all about his #s. He was a hell of a player in college, and had agreat rookie yr.

This isn't where I'm going with this argument...the Patriots drafted for need rather than BPA...something the draft junkies on this board claim has been the Chiefs M.O. for years...I.E. Junior Siavii...

But I guess when you're the Patriots you can draft for need...and just pull everything else off of the trash heap because no matter what Belichick is coaching that team to 11 wins...

beach tribe · 12-31-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Depends.

From what I understand, Flowers is suppose to be the PERFECT cover 2 cornerback...

How much cover 2 will we be playing next season? Our players were all drafted to play for Herm and Herm's system...that's some food for thought...if we switch to 3-4, what are we going to do with Dorsey? Is he versatile enough to be an end?

I was wondering about whether Dorsey could be a 3-4 end.

Hootie · 12-31-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Favre has always needed someone to keep a leash on him or he just gets wild and out of control.

gotta hire a coach to just sit there and nag Favre before every play ..... "see it before you throw it" "don't just chuck it" "Be smart"

over and over again

What really gets me is...the Jets offense would have been perfect for Chad Pennington...

Good offensive line, great running game, good receivers...and Chad isn't turnover prone.

The Jets win 10 or 11 with Chad, that's for sure...Favre hurt that team far more than he helped them...but he's Brett Favre so he gets a pass.

Hootie · 12-31-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Flowers has the talent to play in any defense. I'll bet he can be a shutdown man 2 man corner with a pass rush. We didn't play much cover 2 this year anyway. It's just our base package.

Hopefully...Flowers was a top 10 or 15 pick in the midseason "re-draft"...said he would have been top 10 all along if he was 6'0" or 6'1"...

beach tribe · 12-31-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

This isn't where I'm going with this argument...the Patriots drafted for need rather than BPA...something the draft junkies on this board claim has been the Chiefs M.O. for years...I.E. Junior Siavii...

But I guess when you're the Patriots you can draft for need...and just pull everything else off of the trash heap because no matter what Belichick is coaching that team to 11 wins...

When you have 95% of your team already built you can, and should draft for need. BPA applies more to teams that are bereft of talent.

12-31-2008, 10:57 AM
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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	yeah LBer is just one of those postions that's good for stats. It's like it when rookie RBs win ROY awards... Again easy to pile up stats. Not saying Mayo isn't a good player. Just saying this doesn't shock me.
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