Self Cheating in Recruiting

[ChiefsCountry]

And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive.

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html

KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit

LAWRENCE | Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield.

Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings.

“Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.”

A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished.

Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.”

NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.”

The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.”

The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall.

Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami.

The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13

[Silock]

I dunno. I don't think he did anything WRONG in the sense that it probably didn't influence the kid one way or the other, but it could possibly be construed as a rules violation.

He should have known better. At least he reported it, though.

[jidar]

Hey, big deal. He may be toeing the line a bit, but that's the type of thing you get to do when your pedigree is Kansas and Bill Self.
Nobody is going to raise any hell about it.

[DJay23]

These rules need to be revamped in my opinion. Personally I don't think a coach should have contact with a player unless an adult (coach or parent/guardian) is present and aware of the contact. And do away with the whole, "you can't talk to them by phone during these weeks, but then the next week you can but you can't see them in person and so on.

Doubt much will happen from this. Maybe Bill likes the challenge of building a team with 12 scholies. It worked last year

[DJay23]

Originally Posted by Silock

I dunno. I don't think he did anything WRONG in the sense that it probably didn't influence the kid one way or the other, but it could possibly be construed as a rules violation.

He should have known better. At least he reported it, though.

I think the fact that he told the kid he wasn't supposed to be talking to him and the fact that he then reported it shows it is a violation.

What the University and more importantly the NCAA will do about it is the question.

[KcMizzou]

Originally Posted by jidar

Hey, big deal. He may be toeing the line a bit, but that's the type of thing you get to do when your pedigree is Kansas and Bill Self.
Nobody is going to raise any hell about it.

And Beakers wonder why they're considered arrogant.

I agree that it's not a big deal, but good lord, man....

[ArrowheadHawk]

No real news here move along.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by DJay23

I don't think a coach should have contact with a player unless an adult (coach or parent/guardian) is present and aware of the contact.

No doubt. But, I'd say keep the coaches & handlers out of it. Talk to them all you want, but a parent needs to be involved in the conversation.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

And Beakers wonder why they're considered arrogant.

Please be quiet and don't talk to me /looking down my nose at you

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

And Beakers wonder why they're considered arrogant.

I agree that it's not a big deal, but good lord, man....

hush ......... know your place

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by DJay23

What the University and more importantly the NCAA will do about it is the question.

Probably as much as your going to do about it....

absolutely nothing...

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

And Beakers wonder why they're considered arrogant.

I agree that it's not a big deal, but good lord, man....

Do not speak unless spoken to and from the looks of it, nobody is talking to you.

[the Talking Can]

it's legal and commonplace....

sorry to dash your hopes

[DJay23]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

No doubt. But, I'd say keep the coaches & handlers out of it. Talk to them all you want, but a parent needs to be involved in the conversation.

Sometimes you have to consider though that the coaches are actually looking out for the kids more than their parents. There are kids in economically depressed situations whose parents just want the money like a lot of the AAU coaches. Kind of hard to legislate "Whoever has the best interest of the student-athlete at heart."

[BWillie]

LOL OH NO. WE ARE GONNA GET HIT WITH SANCTIONS AND LOSE A RECRUIT FOR THE 2010 SEASON. COME ON, at least we aren't pulling a Kelvin Sampson

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by DJay23

Sometimes you have to consider though that the coaches are actually looking out for the kids more than their parents. There are kids in economically depressed situations whose parents just want the money like a lot of the AAU coaches. Kind of hard to legislate "Whoever has the best interest of the student-athlete at heart."

True. AAU coaches shouldn't be allowed within 200 yards of a young kids recruiting process. Parents/high school coaches should - in theory - have the best interest of the child at heart.