Football Could Cassel be part of the Vrabel deal? - Page 2

MIAdragon · 02-27-2009, 02:59 PM

Patriots beat writer Mike Reiss wonders if Mike Vrabel's trade could be part of a larger deal including Matt Cassel.

Now that would be a doozy. Reiss is one of the most well-respected beat writers in the country, and is usually very cautious to publish anything resembling speculation. He rightly points out that we have no idea what the compensation in the Vrabel trade is.
Source: Boston Globe

MIAdragon · 02-27-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

No chit. This is Pioli we are talking about. No one snookers him on trades or draft day.

Or so we thought.....

mrdad45 · 02-27-2009, 03:20 PM

I wouldn't be upset about this...as long as nothing happens with our 1st round pick (aka Curry).

Just Passin' By · 02-27-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

que?

You're making a claim about Cassel and I'm trying to discover what you're basing that claim on.

soundmind · 02-27-2009, 03:23 PM

If Cassel were coming out of school right now, would he still be coming out as a backup?

I can't get enough today....

Not really advocating one way or another, but the hush on Cassel, the re-signing of Culpepper in the Motor City, and the quiet nature of Pioli's Chiefs, it would not surprise me in the slightest if we grab him up.

MIAdragon · 02-27-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You're making a claim about Cassel and I'm trying to discover what you're basing that claim on.

Yea I watched more than a few games the Pats played. (and Mecca said so.)

Just Passin' By · 02-27-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Yea I watched more than a few games the Pats played. (and Mecca said so.)

Which games?

**doomy3** · 02-27-2009, 03:26 PM

I posted this in another thread, but:

If Pioli thinks Cassel is better than Stafford or Sanchez (really only Sanchez will be there at 3), then I will fully trust him on a trade, and won't be upset in the least. He certainly knows more about Cassel than anyone on here.

Also, it would have been interesting if Cassel and Sanchez were both at USC at the same time, who would have been the QB. I have heard/read that many wanted Cassel to start over Booty, but Carrol didn't want that. Very similar to Sanchez's sophomore year...

Just Passin' By · 02-27-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I posted this in another thread, but:

If Pioli thinks Cassel is better than Stafford or Sanchez (really only Sanchez will be there at 3), then I will fully trust him on a trade, and won't be upset in the least. He certainly knows more about Cassel than anyone on here.

Also, it would have been interesting if Cassel and Sanchez were both at USC at the same time, who would have been the QB. I have heard/read that many wanted Cassel to start over Booty, but Carrol didn't want that. Very similar to Sanchez's sophomore year...

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-...qb-merged.html

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Shefter is on NFL Network tonight and he was saying that the people around the Patriots and football that he's talked to are telling him they think Cassel in a Top Eight QB in the league. That's paraphrased, I didn't get it exactly right but Mike Lombardi chimed in and said he hears much the same thing.

MIAdragon · 02-27-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Which games?

More than a few, do YOU think he's a top 5 QB right now?

BigRock · 02-27-2009, 03:37 PM

It's not getting much play here that I've noticed, but another probably BS rumor is that the Pats and Panthers are working on some kind of Cassell-for-Peppers swap, and the Vrabel trade might have been for the Pats to free up a little cap space before signing Peppers.

Just Passin' By · 02-27-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

More than a few, do YOU think he's a top 5 QB right now?

Top 5? No. I watched all 16 games and I couldn't honestly slot him in a particular place, but I wouldn't be slotting him in the top 5. I think it's safe to say that he's in the upper half of NFL quarterbacks (which isn't necessarily saying much), but where I'd slot him beyond that is a mystery to me. On the one hand, he put up back-to-back 400 yard games and looked almost Brady-like at times. On the other hand, he only beat 2 playoff teams and he really struggled against the aggressive defenses of San Diego and Pittsburgh. I also don't have the coaches' tape (and conversations with those involved) to be able to evaluate how much of his success was on him and how much was on the surrounding cast.

However, he's only had the one year starting, and there's definitely still room for improvement. No matter where I might slot him now, I'd have to say that it's quite possible that he'll rise higher than that over the next couple of years.

MIAdragon · 02-27-2009, 03:40 PM

Cassel was in a QB friendly system, throwing to Moss and Welker (one where he had 4 years to watch and learn)

17 of his 21 TDs came in 5 games against Arizona (3), Denver(3), Mia (4), Jets (3), and Oakland (4)

In the Patriots' losses, he had 4 TDs and 5 INTs

He also fumbled 7 times and lost 4

He had 4 games with 2 int

Look at the teams he faced, 7 of the 16 teams he faced gave up at least 23 PPG. Rams (29.1), DEN (28), KC (27.5) ARI (26.6), SEA (24.5), Oakland (24.2), and SF (23.8)

He was sacked at least 3 times in 10 Games and 47 times overall.

Maybe im alone but im not sold.

Just Passin' By · 02-27-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Cassel was in a QB friendly system, throwing to Moss and Welker (one where he had 4 years to watch and learn)

17 of his 21 TDs came in 5 games against Arizona (3), Denver(3), Mia (4), Jets (3), and Oakland (4)

In the Patriots' losses, he had 4 TDs and 5 INTs

He also fumbled 7 times and lost 4

He had 4 games with 2 int

Look at the teams he faced, 7 of the 16 teams he faced gave up at least 23 PPG. Rams (29.1), DEN (28), KC (27.5) ARI (26.6), SEA (24.5), Oakland (24.2), and SF (23.8)

He was sacked at least 3 times in 10 Games and 47 times overall.

Maybe im alone but im not sold.

But you're taking a full season as if he was a plateau quarterback. That's just completely wrong. He improved an enormous amount over the course of the season.

MIAdragon · 02-27-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Top 5? No. I watched all 16 games and I couldn't honestly slot him in a particular place, but I wouldn't be slotting him in the top 5. I think it's safe to say that he's in the upper half of NFL quarterbacks (which isn't necessarily saying much), but where I'd slot him beyond that is a mystery to me. On the one hand, he put up back-to-back 400 yard games and looked almost Brady-like at times. On the other hand, he only beat 2 playoff teams and he really struggled against the aggressive defenses of San Diego and Pittsburgh. I also don't have the coaches' tape (and conversations with those involved) to be able to evaluate how much of his success was on him and how much was on the surrounding cast.

However, he's only had the one year starting, and there's definitely still room for improvement. No matter where I might slot him now, I'd have to say that it's quite possible that he'll rise higher than that over the next couple of years.

I can agree with this, I just think people are high on the Pat's wagon and its a little too early to crown him the next Tom Brady.

soundmind · 02-27-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

It's not getting much play here that I've noticed, but another probably BS rumor is that the Pats and Panthers are working on some kind of Cassell-for-Peppers swap, and the Vrabel trade might have been for the Pats to free up a little cap space before signing Peppers.

I love Free Agency Friday. Minus our own local sh*theap of a "columnist" Fatlock (term being used very liberally) ....it's an absolute f**kin' rollercoaster...and I love that its abundant with theories.

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soundmind EB:29 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10004900	If Cassel were coming out of school right now, would he still be coming out as a backup? I can't get enough today.... Not really advocating one way or another, but the hush on Cassel, the re-signing of Culpepper in the Motor City, and the quiet nature of Pioli's Chiefs, it would not surprise me in the slightest if we grab him up.
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doomy3 Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $4393539	I posted this in another thread, but: If Pioli thinks Cassel is better than Stafford or Sanchez (really only Sanchez will be there at 3), then I will fully trust him on a trade, and won't be upset in the least. He certainly knows more about Cassel than anyone on here. Also, it would have been interesting if Cassel and Sanchez were both at USC at the same time, who would have been the QB. I have heard/read that many wanted Cassel to start over Booty, but Carrol didn't want that. Very similar to Sanchez's sophomore year...
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BigRock Pritay Pritay Pritay Good Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $2435412	It's not getting much play here that I've noticed, but another probably BS rumor is that the Pats and Panthers are working on some kind of Cassell-for-Peppers swap, and the Vrabel trade might have been for the Pats to free up a little cap space before signing Peppers.
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02-27-2009, 03:40 PM	#27
MIAdragon Someone pass the antifreeze Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Miami (North Cuba) Casino cash: $137819	Cassel was in a QB friendly system, throwing to Moss and Welker (one where he had 4 years to watch and learn) 17 of his 21 TDs came in 5 games against Arizona (3), Denver(3), Mia (4), Jets (3), and Oakland (4) In the Patriots' losses, he had 4 TDs and 5 INTs He also fumbled 7 times and lost 4 He had 4 games with 2 int Look at the teams he faced, 7 of the 16 teams he faced gave up at least 23 PPG. Rams (29.1), DEN (28), KC (27.5) ARI (26.6), SEA (24.5), Oakland (24.2), and SF (23.8) He was sacked at least 3 times in 10 Games and 47 times overall. Maybe im alone but im not sold.
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