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Jethopper · 07-26-2009, 12:29 AM

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Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jethopper

So you fixed the Defense and didn't downgrade the offense?????

I don't know if the defense is fixed yet... I haven't seen them play. The safeties we had last year were the worst in the NFL, and we brought in Brian Dawkins, Renaldo Hill, and drafted 2 safeties in the 2nd and 4th round.

If Brandon Marshall comes back the offense should be better than it was last year. Orton actually had a higher QB Rating and TD/Int ratio than Jay Cutler had before he got injured in week 8.

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From Football outsiders:

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For all the missteps Josh McDaniels may have taken this offseason, acquiring Orton in the Jay Cutler deal may prove to be a masterstroke. Orton was en route to an excellent year before hurting his ankle and coming back too early; he had a DVOA of 18.5% before the injury and -22.9% afterwards. It's admittedly difficult to reconcile Orton's pre-2008 persona with the performance level of a franchise quarterback, but ask yourself this: How would Orton be perceived had he not been rushed into action as a rookie? He'd be an emerging star, not a punchline with a half good season to his name. Credit goes to McDaniels and Brian Xanders for judging the player for what he is, not what he once was.

Jethopper · 07-26-2009, 02:44 AM

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I don't know if the defense is fixed yet... I haven't seen them play. The safeties we had last year were the worst in the NFL, and we brought in Brian Dawkins, Renaldo Hill, and drafted 2 safeties in the 2nd and 4th round.

If Brandon Marshall comes back the offense should be better than it was last year. Orton actually had a higher QB Rating and TD/Int ratio than Jay Cutler had before he got injured in week 8.

Brian Dawkins = Slower, Older Darren Sharper
Renaldo Hill = Captain Knee Injury
2 Rookie Safeties = 0 Impact 1st year

Still waiting for how you upgraded, looks as if you just got slower?

Please don't doctor facts like you have done with Cutler vs Orton. You don't even believe that Orton is better, no matter how many times you post it here.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 02:46 AM

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Contradiction in terms. Denver will still not be able to stop either the run or the pass. Most likely they will do it worse than they did last year. No...not most likely...they will be worse, period.

And they most certainly upgraded their turnover machine potential at QB.

I don't know how the defense will do, but I do know that Mike Nolan is a MUCH better DC than Bob Slowick was. Last years Denver Broncos and Detroit Lions defenses were the two worst defenses in NFL History going back to 1994 according to football outsiders. Denver created the fewest turnovers in NFL history since the NFL went to a 16 game regular season.

Injuries had a lot to do with how bad our defense was last year. Heck for a 4 or 5 game stretch we were playing without our ENTIRE starting LB core, our 2 starting safeties, and Champ Bailey.

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And just what is "his" system? Being that he really doesn't have a system, other than the shit Bill let him partially see from what his periphrial vision could pick up as he ran to and fro fetching coffee and M&M's for the senior members of the staff.

Josh McDaniels' father is longtime friends with Urban Meyer, Josh and Belichick both went down to Florida before McDaniels became OC, and talked with Urban Meyer about his offense and brought it back to New England.

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And, furthermore, I'm sure that McBlankie is hoping upon all hope that his quarterback doesn't have to win games for the Doncos. If he is relying upon Orton to pull it out, it is going to be a long, slow, cold day in Hell

If Josh knows one thing, its QB's. He chose Orton over Jason Campbell, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Luke McKown(sp?), Kellen Clemmens, and Alex Smith.

This is the system that Orton should have been playing his entire life. He will play very well in it this year.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jethopper

Brian Dawkins = Slower, Older Darren Sharper
Renaldo Hill = Captain Knee Injury
2 Rookie Safeties = 0 Impact 1st year

Still waiting for how you upgraded, looks as if you just got slower?

Please don't doctor facts like you have done with Cutler vs Orton. You don't even believe that Orton is better, that no matter how many times you post it here.

Dude we had Marquand Manuel and Marlon McCree as our starting safeties last year. Kyle Lowry and Vernon Fox had to start a couple of games when they were injured... Yes the safety position is improved. Anybody is better than the guys we had last year, especially a safety who made the Pro Bowl last year.

**Smed1065** · 07-26-2009, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I don't know if the defense is fixed yet... I haven't seen them play. The safeties we had last year were the worst in the NFL, and we brought in Brian Dawkins, Renaldo Hill, and drafted 2 safeties in the 2nd and 4th round.

If Brandon Marshall comes back the offense should be better than it was last year. Orton actually had a higher QB Rating and TD/Int ratio than Jay Cutler had before he got injured in week 8.

TY for a laugh.

Again next year saying we rebuilt..LOL

**Smed1065** · 07-26-2009, 02:54 AM

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Dude we had Marquand Manuel and Marlon McCree as our starting safeties last year. Kyle Lowry and Vernon Fox had to start a couple of games when they were injured... Yes the safety position is improved. Anybody is better than the guys we had last year, especially a safety who made the Pro Bowl last year.

They all make the PB!

Homer Simpson.

Saccopoo · 07-26-2009, 03:10 AM

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Josh McDaniels' father is longtime friends with Urban Meyer, Josh and Belichick both went down to Florida before McDaniels became OC, and talked with Urban Meyer about his offense and brought it back to New England.

Urban is in his early 40's. If his dad is a longtime Urban buddy, than does that put Josh in his mid-teens? And the fact that a guy like meathead Kyle Wittingham ends up being a better spread monkey coach than Urban at the same college (Utah) is a testament to the fact that it ain't all about Urban...

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If Josh knows one thing, its QB's. He chose Orton over Jason Campbell, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Luke McKown(sp?), Kellen Clemmens, and Alex Smith.

I think it remains to be seen that he knows one thing. How the hell, as an OC for one single year, does he really know anything? Especially an OC under Bill, who we all know calls all the shots anyway. It's like the guy who was the operations manager under Marge Schott or Shanahan. Nice title, but they weren't allowed to open a can of beans without approval.

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This is the system that Orton should have been playing his entire life. He will play very well in it this year.

What? I mean, seriously, WTF? I stand by my initial analysis that this is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. Ever. And I read a Mack Bolan novel once. And this stuff you are typing makes that look like it was penned by John Updike in comparison.

JuicesFlowing · 07-26-2009, 03:12 AM

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If Josh knows one thing, its QB's. He chose Orton over Jason Campbell, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Luke McKown(sp?), Kellen Clemmens, and Alex Smith.

I'll take Campbell over Orton any day. Campbell has gone through coaching staffs like toilet paper. If Dan "Steinbrenner" Snyder would surround that team with stability Campbell would excel.

Jethopper · 07-26-2009, 03:14 AM

Don't get me wrong Dawkins was a excellent safety in Jim Johnson's pressure first defense. However, with Noland......lol. Excluding his days with one of the best defensive personal groups in the last decade (Ravens) he has come up wanting.

"Let's take a further look at Nolan's past...

New York Giants - 1993-1996 - 5th, 11th, 17th, 14th.

Washington Redskins - 1997-1999 - 16th, 24th, 30th.

In 1993, Nolan took over much of the personnel from Bill Parcells. Let's look at the dropoff after Nolan's first year with the Giants. His defenses never cracked the top 10. When Nolan was in Washington, his defenses got progressively worse.

In 3 years with the 49ers, Nolans defensive rankings are as follows...

2005 - 32nd, 2006 - 26th, 2007 - 25th.

In it's 4th year, Nolan's defense should've made significant improvement. He's had say in the majority of the personnel decisions. He's been able to bring in the free agents he wants (Nate Clements, Justin Smith). Nolan has infuence in the draft (Patrick Willis). This defense should be in the top 15! Instead, it is in the bottom half of the league. At the rate of current improvement, we'll crack top 15 in 2011. Here are the roster "improvements" on defense over the last 3 years.

1st rounders

2008, pick 29 - DT, Kentwan Balmer

2007, pick 11 - ILB, Patrick Willis

2006, pick 22 - OLB, Manny Lawson

Free agents...

Nate Clements, CB - 2001 - 1st round (21st pick) by the Buffalo Bills

Walt Harris, CB - 1996 - 1st round (13th pick) by the Chicago Bears

Justin Smith, DE - 2001 - 1st round (4th pick) by the Cincinnati Bengals

Takeo Spikes, LB - 1998 - 1st round (13th pick) by the Cincinnati Bengals" - CBSsportsline.com

Mike Noland's past shows he loves big names. Too bad his grasp of a total defensive scheme/play-calling leaves much to be desired.

**alanm** · 07-26-2009, 03:23 AM

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I don't know how the defense will do, but I do know that Mike Nolan is a MUCH better DC than Bob Slowick was.

I would of loved to see Nolan in KC. I'm a little bitter that Denver got him.

Saccopoo · 07-26-2009, 03:26 AM

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I would of loved to see Nolan in KC. I'm a little bitter that Denver got him.

What?!

Nolan is a douche. Greg Robinson is Defense Jesus compared to him. Nolan wrecked SF so bad that they actually thought that Mike "Pants Optional" Singletary was worthy of a contract extension.

Jethopper · 07-26-2009, 03:28 AM

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I would of loved to see Nolan in KC. I'm a little bitter that Denver got him.

This is sarcasm. I hope.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 03:38 AM

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Urban is in his early 40's. If his dad is a longtime Urban buddy, than does that put Josh in his mid-teens? And the fact that a guy like meathead Kyle Wittingham ends up being a better spread monkey coach than Urban at the same college (Utah) is a testament to the fact that it ain't all about Urban...

You might want to tell NFL teams to stop trying to contact Urban Meyer then...

Florida coach Urban Meyer says that multiple NFL teams will be using elements of the spread offense in 2009.

"Right now, we've been contacted by a minimum of three NFL teams who want to implement a spread element," Meyer said recently, according to Chris Harry of the Orlando Sentinel. "They're going to do it."

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I think it remains to be seen that he knows one thing. How the hell, as an OC for one single year, does he really know anything? Especially an OC under Bill, who we all know calls all the shots anyway. It's like the guy who was the operations manager under Marge Schott or Shanahan. Nice title, but they weren't allowed to open a can of beans without approval.

He has been the offensive coordinator in New England since 2005, and the best years of Tom Brady's career came after Josh McDaniels was named the QB coach in 2004.

**alanm** · 07-26-2009, 03:40 AM

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What?!

Nolan is a douche. Greg Robinson is Defense Jesus compared to him. Nolan wrecked SF so bad that they actually thought that Mike "Pants Optional" Singletary was worthy of a contract extension.

He wasn't a good HC but are you saying his success as a DC in Baltimore and Washington was a fluke?
Robinson has flamed out where ever he's been.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 03:40 AM

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Don't get me wrong Dawkins was a excellent safety in Jim Johnson's pressure first defense. However, with Noland......lol. Excluding his days with one of the best defensive personal groups in the last decade (Ravens) he has come up wanting.

"Let's take a further look at Nolan's past...

New York Giants - 1993-1996 - 5th, 11th, 17th, 14th.

Washington Redskins - 1997-1999 - 16th, 24th, 30th.

In 1993, Nolan took over much of the personnel from Bill Parcells. Let's look at the dropoff after Nolan's first year with the Giants. His defenses never cracked the top 10. When Nolan was in Washington, his defenses got progressively worse.

In 3 years with the 49ers, Nolans defensive rankings are as follows...

2005 - 32nd, 2006 - 26th, 2007 - 25th.

In it's 4th year, Nolan's defense should've made significant improvement. He's had say in the majority of the personnel decisions. He's been able to bring in the free agents he wants (Nate Clements, Justin Smith). Nolan has infuence in the draft (Patrick Willis). This defense should be in the top 15! Instead, it is in the bottom half of the league. At the rate of current improvement, we'll crack top 15 in 2011. Here are the roster "improvements" on defense over the last 3 years.

1st rounders

2008, pick 29 - DT, Kentwan Balmer

2007, pick 11 - ILB, Patrick Willis

2006, pick 22 - OLB, Manny Lawson

Free agents...

Nate Clements, CB - 2001 - 1st round (21st pick) by the Buffalo Bills

Walt Harris, CB - 1996 - 1st round (13th pick) by the Chicago Bears

Justin Smith, DE - 2001 - 1st round (4th pick) by the Cincinnati Bengals

Takeo Spikes, LB - 1998 - 1st round (13th pick) by the Cincinnati Bengals" - CBSsportsline.com

Mike Noland's past shows he loves big names. Too bad his grasp of a total defensive scheme/play-calling leaves much to be desired.

1992 NYG Before Nolan- 26th in PA
1993 NYG W/ Nolan - 1st 12.8
1994 8th 19.1
1995 16th 21.2
1996 10th 18.6

1996 WSH Before Nolan- 13th
1997 WSH W/ Nolan - 8th 18.1
1998 28th 26.3
1999 24th 23.6

1999 NYJ Before Nolan -9th
2000 NYJ W/ Nolan- 13th 20.1

2000 BAL Before Nolan- 1st
2001 BAL W/ Nolan- 4th 16.6
2002 19th 22.1
2003 6th 17.6
2004 6th 16.8

So Nolan's defense gave up an average of 19.4 Points per game for his entire career as a defensive coordinator. That is very damn good... Giving up 19 points per game is good enough to be a top ten defense 8 out of the last 10 years.

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Jethopper A Great Pick Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9716008	Don't get me wrong Dawkins was a excellent safety in Jim Johnson's pressure first defense. However, with Noland......lol. Excluding his days with one of the best defensive personal groups in the last decade (Ravens) he has come up wanting. "Let's take a further look at Nolan's past... New York Giants - 1993-1996 - 5th, 11th, 17th, 14th. Washington Redskins - 1997-1999 - 16th, 24th, 30th. In 1993, Nolan took over much of the personnel from Bill Parcells. Let's look at the dropoff after Nolan's first year with the Giants. His defenses never cracked the top 10. When Nolan was in Washington, his defenses got progressively worse. In 3 years with the 49ers, Nolans defensive rankings are as follows... 2005 - 32nd, 2006 - 26th, 2007 - 25th. In it's 4th year, Nolan's defense should've made significant improvement. He's had say in the majority of the personnel decisions. He's been able to bring in the free agents he wants (Nate Clements, Justin Smith). Nolan has infuence in the draft (Patrick Willis). This defense should be in the top 15! Instead, it is in the bottom half of the league. At the rate of current improvement, we'll crack top 15 in 2011. Here are the roster "improvements" on defense over the last 3 years. 1st rounders 2008, pick 29 - DT, Kentwan Balmer 2007, pick 11 - ILB, Patrick Willis 2006, pick 22 - OLB, Manny Lawson Free agents... Nate Clements, CB - 2001 - 1st round (21st pick) by the Buffalo Bills Walt Harris, CB - 1996 - 1st round (13th pick) by the Chicago Bears Justin Smith, DE - 2001 - 1st round (4th pick) by the Cincinnati Bengals Takeo Spikes, LB - 1998 - 1st round (13th pick) by the Cincinnati Bengals" - CBSsportsline.com Mike Noland's past shows he loves big names. Too bad his grasp of a total defensive scheme/play-calling leaves much to be desired.
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