Do we have the worst 53 man roster in football?

[Chiefnj2]

It's the roster of a 1 or 2 win football team.

[CupidStunt]

Yes.

[WhitiE]

wow..... some of you guys need to go change your diapers....

[ChiTown]

Meh

We were going to suck this yr no matter what 53 we kept.

I thought 4-12 before the season and I'm sticking with 4-12 with this 53.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Well, I'd say that 23-48 has to be among the worst in the league, but I guess they are the "right" ones, and that's what we are told is the formula. I just hope we bring in some OL with coachability and upside, because our line is without a doubt the worst I've ever seen since I've been a fan.

If you break it down by area:

DL: A good deal of talent and upside, but Dorsey doesn't fit this scheme and probably isn't long for KC. Jackson and Magee are going to be your starters for a while. Beyond those two, there really is nothing of note on the line.

LB: We've gotta have the worst LB corps in the league...here we go again...again. McBride will probably be cut shortly, Hali is a 4-3 LE who just doesn't have the flexibility or hips to drop into coverage, Vrabel is pretty much a pass rushing specialist at this point, DJ is a will backer in a 4-3, and the ted backers are ok.

S: Morgan is a very talented player with a lot of upside, but I've always been high on him; others won't be so forgiving. Page is meh personified. McGraw is just a STer, and Brown can't stay out of the whirlpool.

CB: By far the most talented portion of our team. Flowers is a future PBer, Carr is a solid #2, Leggett is a decent player with talent, and Washington has all the upside you'd want in a CB

QB: Cassel has size, mobility, and he's accurate on the short routes, but he's never demonstrated an ability to make the throws that can stretch a defense (20 yard square in, 16 yard out, skinny post). Doesn't mean he can't, but he needs to prove that he can.

WR: Bowe, and the worst collection of 2-5 in the league. Almost no speed, no upside, and very little size

TE: Cottam has physical tools, but he's more of an athlete than a football player. The other two are pretty much trash

RB: LJ is washed up, but servicable. Charles is a good change of pace, the other two are p. much trash

OL: Unconscionably awful. Albert is a good LT, and the lone bright spot on the line. Waters is a declining player whose deficiencies were covered up by Willie Roaf. Niswanger and Goff are bottom five players at their position. Richardson has upside, but he's more of a LT and he's a little soft. They need to get him to tap into some hatred to play RT. Everyone else is lucky to have a job.

It's just a really, really bad football team with holes all around. Our talent evaluation has been so bad since the early 90's that we've got absolutely nothing.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, I'd say that 23-48 has to be among the worst in the league, but I guess they are the "right" ones, and that's what we are told is the formula. I just hope we bring in some OL with coachability and upside, because our line is without a doubt the worst I've ever seen since I've been a fan.

If you break it down by area:

DL: A good deal of talent and upside, but Dorsey doesn't fit this scheme and probably isn't long for KC. Jackson and Magee are going to be your starters for a while. Beyond those two, there really is nothing of note on the line.

LB: We've gotta have the worst LB corps in the league...here we go again...again. McBride will probably be cut shortly, Hali is a 4-3 LE who just doesn't have the flexibility or hips to drop into coverage, Vrabel is pretty much a pass rushing specialist at this point, DJ is a will backer in a 4-3, and the ted backers are ok.

S: Morgan is a very talented player with a lot of upside, but I've always been high on him; others won't be so forgiving. Page is meh personified. McGraw is just a STer, and Brown can't stay out of the whirlpool.

CB: By far the most talented portion of our team. Flowers is a future PBer, Carr is a solid #2, Leggett is a decent player with talent, and Washington has all the upside you'd want in a CB

QB: Cassel has size, mobility, and he's accurate on the short routes, but he's never demonstrated an ability to make the throws that can stretch a defense (20 yard square in, 16 yard out, skinny post). Doesn't mean he can't, but he needs to prove that he can.

WR: Bowe, and the worst collection of 2-5 in the league. Almost no speed, no upside, and very little size

TE: Cottam has physical tools, but he's more of an athlete than a football player. The other two are pretty much trash

RB: LJ is washed up, but servicable. Charles is a good change of pace, the other two are p. much trash

OL: Unconscionably awful. Albert is a good LT, and the lone bright spot on the line. Waters is a declining player whose deficiencies were covered up by Willie Roaf. Niswanger and Goff are bottom five players at their position. Richardson has upside, but he's more of a LT and he's a little soft. They need to get him to tap into some hatred to play RT. Everyone else is lucky to have a job.

It's just a really, really bad football team with holes all around. Our talent evaluation has been so bad since the early 90's that we've got absolutely nothing.

Pretty much sums it up - especially the OL take and the last paragraph.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, I'd say that 23-48 has to be among the worst in the league, but I guess they are the "right" ones, and that's what we are told is the formula. I just hope we bring in some OL with coachability and upside, because our line is without a doubt the worst I've ever seen since I've been a fan.

If you break it down by area:

DL: A good deal of talent and upside, but Dorsey doesn't fit this scheme and probably isn't long for KC. Jackson and Magee are going to be your starters for a while. Beyond those two, there really is nothing of note on the line.

LB: We've gotta have the worst LB corps in the league...here we go again...again. McBride will probably be cut shortly, Hali is a 4-3 LE who just doesn't have the flexibility or hips to drop into coverage, Vrabel is pretty much a pass rushing specialist at this point, DJ is a will backer in a 4-3, and the ted backers are ok.

S: Morgan is a very talented player with a lot of upside, but I've always been high on him; others won't be so forgiving. Page is meh personified. McGraw is just a STer, and Brown can't stay out of the whirlpool.

CB: By far the most talented portion of our team. Flowers is a future PBer, Carr is a solid #2, Leggett is a decent player with talent, and Washington has all the upside you'd want in a CB

QB: Cassel has size, mobility, and he's accurate on the short routes, but he's never demonstrated an ability to make the throws that can stretch a defense (20 yard square in, 16 yard out, skinny post). Doesn't mean he can't, but he needs to prove that he can.

WR: Bowe, and the worst collection of 2-5 in the league. Almost no speed, no upside, and very little size

TE: Cottam has physical tools, but he's more of an athlete than a football player. The other two are pretty much trash

RB: LJ is washed up, but servicable. Charles is a good change of pace, the other two are p. much trash

OL: Unconscionably awful. Albert is a good LT, and the lone bright spot on the line. Waters is a declining player whose deficiencies were covered up by Willie Roaf. Niswanger and Goff are bottom five players at their position. Richardson has upside, but he's more of a LT and he's a little soft. They need to get him to tap into some hatred to play RT. Everyone else is lucky to have a job.

It's just a really, really bad football team with holes all around. Our talent evaluation has been so bad since the early 90's that we've got absolutely nothing.

really? you don't like the linebackers?

I think they've improved in that area. Hali looks like he's made a nice transition over to LB, and Mays has been a pleasant surprise? hes had a good camp and played consistently solid throughout the preseason. I've been impressed with him. I think Vrabel even though old, has good play left in him and will offer some good veteran leadership to the team.

I don't think this core is something to oooo and aaaa over, but I think they will play well together as a unit.

I agree with your take on the offensive line. They're just awful. Im concerned about the rightside of the line. Im worried about Cassel, Im afraid he won't get the protection and hate to say it but its gonna be tough for him to succeed. I hope he doesn't get hurt because outside of him the rest of the QBs don't impress me.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by RedThat

really? you don't like the linebackers?

I think they've improved in that area. Hali looks like he's made a nice transition over to LB, and Mays has been a pleasant surprise? hes had a good camp and played consistently solid throughout the preseason. I've been impressed with him. I think Vrabel even though old, has good play left in him and will offer some good veteran leadership to the team.

I don't think this core is something to oooo and aaaa over, but I think they will play well together as a unit.

I agree with your take on the offensive line. They're just awful. Im concerned about the rightside of the line. Im worried about Cassel, Im afraid he won't get the protection and hate to say it but its gonna be tough for him to succeed. I hope he doesn't get hurt because outside of him the rest of the QBs don't impress me.

Well, Mays will play Ted, and that's the easiest position to play on this defense. He's basically the fullback of the D. He can do a serviceable job there, really anyone of decent size can. I don't know about DJ as the mike. He has a million dollar body and a two cent head, and I think he's like almost every Texas player--soft.

Vrabel can bring some heat from the outside, and Tamba has done better than one would expect, but once teams start to game plan us by pulling the safeties and corners off with deeper routes and forcing the LBs to cover the flats, he's gonna get embarrassed.

The funny thing is that everyone on the board was universally against both the McBride and Pollard picks at the time they were made, and it ended up that we were all right. Just goes to show why you should never reach on your pet projects in round 2, just take the guys who slipped (Flowers).

[OnTheWarpath15]

To answer the question in the OP, yes.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

To answer the question in the OP, yes.

What moves do you think we can make, or should make to help remedy that this year (without killing ourselves long term)? Honest question, because aside for looking for upside OL, I haven't a ****ing clue.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The funny thing is that everyone on the board was universally against both the McBride and Pollard picks at the time they were made, and it ended up that we were all right. Just goes to show why you should never reach on your pet projects in round 2, just take the guys who slipped (Flowers).

well...

I guess you guys had to be right about something lately.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac

well...

I guess you guys had to be right about something lately.

I'm talking about everyone on the board, you ****ing dumbass. If you don't know what position Seymour plays in a 4-3, you really need to sit the **** down, and shut the **** up, because you're the last dude that needs to call anyone out over anything.

"Thigpen > Palmer"

Jesus Christ.

[the Talking Can]

we're trying to be 8-8 like all Parcells teams

I prefer the San Francisco way

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we're trying to be 8-8 like all Parcells teams

I prefer the San Francisco way

thats a new take on it

[Boon]

I think they should forfeit all games now.