Chiefs To Juice or Not to Juice - Page 2

harpes · 10-09-2009, 10:37 AM

Let me start off by saying that back in 80's I did more than my fair share of cycles and fortunatly didnt have any major side effects. Now I have a son playing JUCO and has all the talent and speed to go Div. 1 but size wise he still needs to add some size. He has worked his butt off with the strength coach and has the right diet but his gains have stopped and his doesnt think 180 CB will last long in the big leagues. He has his own money and is determined to buy some roids off the internet and start stacking. Its not like our day when we would use horse steroids or whatever and never gave it thought. He knows what could happen but like all dumb a$$ kids thinks it wont happen to him. I've thought about having the trainer speak with him but he is an adult and if he doesnt make it, then dad will be the one that kept him from his dreams. Does anyone have any ideas or suggesions on alternatives that would be healthier. God only knows what comes in internet steroids

**loochy** · 10-09-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's either good enough or he isn't.

Maybe instead of fretting over jacking your kid full of 'roids you should talk to him about the importance of an education, especially since the odds of him making it to the NFL, even if he makes it to DI, are about 1 in 100.

This. Hamas smart. Brain good.

Or you could let him start and then instantly tell the coach or athletic director or something, then he will get tested and busted and then he will no longer juice because he will be under the spotlight.

harpes · 10-09-2009, 11:12 AM

Dont get me wrong I DO NOT want him to do it. But he is 20 years old, doesnt live at home and like most 20 year olds wont listen to Dad. It does amaze me the folks that have said if you have to take roids your not going to make it. I wish that was true but if you look at sports how many didnt use it.

I like the one suggestion about having him go to the Dr. and maybe he can talk some since into him or if not keep his health monitored. So far off his team there are 7 going on to major D1 schools and according to him all but one are getting help. I didnt know it was still as wide spread as it apparantly is. Really makes you wonder if there is that amount of pressure to compete at that level what it must be higher up. If he starts now I am afraid to 20 pounds he want to add will end up needing to be 30 pounds and then it will be 40 pounds. I agree that you either have the frame or you dont. I was a 240# DE in high school and juiced up to 275 and lost both knees, back pain etc. and probably was because my skeleton was being pushed at 240 and 275 was just too much. He has seen my scars but thinks he is bullet proof.

Demonpenz · 10-09-2009, 11:13 AM

yeah get jacked up on roids do keg stands rape bitches yeah

**DaKCMan AP** · 10-09-2009, 11:14 AM

I prefer apple juice.

philfree · 10-09-2009, 11:14 AM

Wow! Just wow!. It's your son dude. Don't you think maybe down the road when he is a man that he might thank you for instilling some character him? Don't let him go that route.

PhilFree

Spicy McHaggis · 10-09-2009, 11:17 AM

You're his father, not his friend. Tell him to stay the **** off roids and if he blames you for it later, at least you'll know you did the right thing.

CoMoChief · 10-09-2009, 11:21 AM

There are CB's in the NFL that are that small. Though they are VERY fast

Deangelo Hall, Devin Hester (now WR) Tye Hill (sucks)

Most CB's are 190-205 range, it shouldnt be hard at a D1 school with proper training and diet that he can't get to that point in 1 school year. Possible less time than that.

don't let him shoot up. If he gets caught his career would be ruined.

Coach · 10-09-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by harpes

Dont get me wrong I DO NOT want him to do it. But he is 20 years old, doesnt live at home and like most 20 year olds wont listen to Dad. It does amaze me the folks that have said if you have to take roids your not going to make it. I wish that was true but if you look at sports how many didnt use it.

I like the one suggestion about having him go to the Dr. and maybe he can talk some since into him or if not keep his health monitored. So far off his team there are 7 going on to major D1 schools and according to him all but one are getting help. I didnt know it was still as wide spread as it apparantly is. Really makes you wonder if there is that amount of pressure to compete at that level what it must be higher up. If he starts now I am afraid to 20 pounds he want to add will end up needing to be 30 pounds and then it will be 40 pounds. I agree that you either have the frame or you dont. I was a 240# DE in high school and juiced up to 275 and lost both knees, back pain etc. and probably was because my skeleton was being pushed at 240 and 275 was just too much. He has seen my scars but thinks he is bullet proof.

Honestly, as an experience in a NAIA school coach (Yes, I know, not Division I, but still college nonethless) I would strongly encourage your son not to take the steriods. I'm sure the NCAA has some routine testing and unannounced testing program.

If your son still refuses to listen to you, then all you can do is just support him and still love him as your son. But if the situation in the future occurs where he gets busted for it, don't go tell him "I told you so." Instead, console him and tell him that he's not a bad person for doing it. People make mistakes and get wrong intel from wrong people.

And Hamas is right. The odds of making it in the NFL is 1 to 100. Not very good odds. I'm not saying it's impossible for him to do it, but education should be very important in all students. For instance, what happens if say he suffers a career ending injury?

salame · 10-09-2009, 11:30 AM

you are quite the reerun if you let your son do this

**The Franchise** · 10-09-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

There are CB's in the NFL that are that small. Though they are VERY fast

Deangelo Hall, Devin Hester (now WR) Tye Hill (sucks)

Most CB's are 190-205 range, it shouldnt be hard at a D1 school with proper training and diet that he can't get to that point in 1 school year. Possible less time than that.

don't let him shoot up. If he gets caught his career would be ruined.

This. If he has the speed and the talent.....roids are only going to **** his dream up. Tell him to wait until he gets into a football program that has a weight training regime.

wild1 · 10-09-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He's a kid. 180 isn't small for a CB. It's not HUGE, but he certainly has time to grow.

There are enough over the counter supplements and nutritionists out there that can help him get over the hump. If he's plateaued, it's because he's doing the wrong training regime.

You need to get him help in the areas of training and nutrition, not look the other way so he can buy 'roids off the internet.

That's a totally irresponsible move on your part and could have serious and even deadly consequences for your son.

Don't do it.

No kidding.

If the kid was on heroin you'd do something. It's abuse/neglect of a minor if he's 17 and not 20.

It's revolting that this is even a matter up for discussion.

Demonpenz · 10-09-2009, 11:36 AM

wouldn't the odds of making it to the nfl be something like the entire male population/number of players in the nfl. It sure as hell more than 1/100

DumbHillbillies · 10-09-2009, 11:36 AM

Tell him there are no shorcuts to true success in life, that's a valuable lesson to learn early in life. If that doesn't do it, do you really want to sit by and let any of the things below happen to your son, regardless if he's pissed off at you for a while.

**The Franchise** · 10-09-2009, 11:36 AM

How tall is he?

BY1401 · 10-09-2009, 11:40 AM

Have him do a detailed benefit/cost analysis before he makes his decision.

10-09-2009, 10:37 AM
harpes Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Baxter Springs Ks Casino cash: $10004900	To Juice or Not to Juice Let me start off by saying that back in 80's I did more than my fair share of cycles and fortunatly didnt have any major side effects. Now I have a son playing JUCO and has all the talent and speed to go Div. 1 but size wise he still needs to add some size. He has worked his butt off with the strength coach and has the right diet but his gains have stopped and his doesnt think 180 CB will last long in the big leagues. He has his own money and is determined to buy some roids off the internet and start stacking. Its not like our day when we would use horse steroids or whatever and never gave it thought. He knows what could happen but like all dumb a$$ kids thinks it wont happen to him. I've thought about having the trainer speak with him but he is an adult and if he doesnt make it, then dad will be the one that kept him from his dreams. Does anyone have any ideas or suggesions on alternatives that would be healthier. God only knows what comes in internet steroids
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10-09-2009, 11:12 AM	#17
harpes Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Baxter Springs Ks Casino cash: $10004900	Dont get me wrong I DO NOT want him to do it. But he is 20 years old, doesnt live at home and like most 20 year olds wont listen to Dad. It does amaze me the folks that have said if you have to take roids your not going to make it. I wish that was true but if you look at sports how many didnt use it. I like the one suggestion about having him go to the Dr. and maybe he can talk some since into him or if not keep his health monitored. So far off his team there are 7 going on to major D1 schools and according to him all but one are getting help. I didnt know it was still as wide spread as it apparantly is. Really makes you wonder if there is that amount of pressure to compete at that level what it must be higher up. If he starts now I am afraid to 20 pounds he want to add will end up needing to be 30 pounds and then it will be 40 pounds. I agree that you either have the frame or you dont. I was a 240# DE in high school and juiced up to 275 and lost both knees, back pain etc. and probably was because my skeleton was being pushed at 240 and 275 was just too much. He has seen my scars but thinks he is bullet proof.
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