NFL Draft McClain...Yes or No? - Page 2

talastan · 01-08-2010, 10:58 AM

I know the draftubators will be all over this w/ the "You don't draft a MLB in the top five!" argument. But after last night's preformance, as well as a very successful College season, would you take McClain with our pick at #5? Personally if Berry is off the board, I'd jump on the guy. He's not only a gifted athlete but a very intellectual player.

**DeezNutz** · 01-08-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We're in the same boat we were last year.

If Berry's gone, there's no one worthy of a 5th overall pick, other than Claussen, who becomes this year's Mark Sanchez. (at least regarding the should we take him and sit him for a year debate)

Pioli won't admit his mistake this early, so Claussen's likely out.

If Berry is gone, who's worth it at 5?

Spiller's playmaking ability is worth the 5th pick, but his positional value is shitty.

Haden is going to be a solid CB at the next level, but if you're taking him 5th overall, he has to be a shutdown corner, and he's not.

Dez Bryant? Please.

Leaves you with two options:

Taylor Mays and Rolando McCalin.

Both would be great additions to this defense, and neither are worth a Top 5 pick, IMO.

Bottom line, if Berry's off the board, we're reaching for someone, let's just hope it's a solid reach, and not a Tyson Jackson-esque reach.

This might not be popular, but, if Bryant is the choice, I also wouldn't freak out. At least it's understandable and justifiable: Pioli thinks the dude is a big time WR.

I might not agree, but, hey, he's the highest paid GM, and I'm no one. Prove me wrong. Should be easy...

**The Bad Guy** · 01-08-2010, 11:45 AM

I hope McClain is the choice if Berry is gone. I don't know if I've ever seen worse linebackers than Corey Mays and DeMorrio Williams.

We need a thumper and McClain is that.

sfchief · 01-08-2010, 11:45 AM

Daryl Washington, ILB, TCU

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KevB · 01-08-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This might not be popular, but, if Bryant is the choice, I also wouldn't freak out. At least it's understandable and justifiable: Pioli thinks the dude is a big time WR.

I might not agree, but, hey, he's the highest paid GM, and I'm no one. Prove me wrong. Should be easy...

Not sure I understand saying no to Dez but yes to Mays or McClain. Dez was a stud at OSU and made plays every time he was on the field. If he runs a 4.55, he probably won't go top 10. But if he runs a 4.4 at 6'2 with his production in college....what's not to like?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-08-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This might not be popular, but, if Bryant is the choice, I also wouldn't freak out. At least it's understandable and justifiable: Pioli thinks the dude is a big time WR.

I might not agree, but, hey, he's the highest paid GM, and I'm no one. Prove me wrong. Should be easy...

Oh, where to start with Dez Bryant?

He's slow. 4.51 is his best reported time, and I've seen times over 4.65.

He's not overly big. 6-2, 210.

He's a poor route runner.

He's from a spread offense, so he's never been asked to know/run the full route tree.

He's had one year of solid production.

He missed the majority of the 2009 season.

The guy is a WR2 in the NFL. Not worthy of a Top 5 pick.

**DeezNutz** · 01-08-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB

Not sure I understand saying no to Dez but yes to Mays or McClain. Dez was a stud at OSU and made plays every time he was on the field. If he runs a 4.55, he probably won't go top 10. But if he runs a 4.4 at 6'2 with his production in college....what's not to like?

My problem with Bryant is the same as my argument against McClain. Could you get *about* the same player in round 2?

You're not getting a freak like Mays in round 2, so that's a bit different.

I just hope Berry is on the board, and all of this talk is moot. Take the most dynamic player (and playmaker) at an enormous position of need.

**DeezNutz** · 01-08-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh, where to start with Dez Bryant?

He's slow. 4.51 is his best reported time, and I've seen times over 4.65.

He's not overly big. 6-2, 210.

He's a poor route runner.

He's from a spread offense, so he's never been asked to know/run the full route tree.

He's had one year of solid production.

He missed the majority of the 2009 season.

The guy is a WR2 in the NFL. Not worthy of a Top 5 pick.

I'm not even going to begin to try to argue against facts. But, if he's selected, Pioli is saying he's an impact player, a game changer.

Fine. He just better be right.

I can understand taking Bryant a hell of a lot more than I can understand taking Jackson.

**The Franchise** · 01-08-2010, 11:53 AM

Ecstatic picks:

1. Eric Berry
2. Jimmy Clausen

Picks that I'd be ok with:

1. Taylor Mays
2. Rolando McClain

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2010, 11:55 AM

I wonder what our one year ago selves would say if we showed them these posts, where we are excusing awful reaches by our GM, the Executive of the Decade, simply because they aren't as bad as the previous reach he made with the #1 pick.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-08-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I wonder what our one year ago selves would say if we showed them these posts, where we are excusing awful reaches by our GM, the Executive of the Decade, simply because they aren't as bad as the previous reach he made with the #1 pick.

If Berry is off the board, who at that point is NOT a reach?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If Berry is off the board, who at that point is NOT a reach?

Top 4 picks, plz.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-08-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Top 4 picks, plz.

In no particular order:

Suh, Claussen, Berry, McCoy/Okung.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2010, 12:01 PM

FWIW, I see the top 4 as a combination of Suh, McCoy, Clausen, and Okung (even though he sucks).

St. Louis is taking a DT or QB
Detroit is taking a DT, DE, or OT
Tampa is taking a DT, DE, or OT
Washington is taking a QB

DumbHillbillies · 01-08-2010, 12:03 PM

I wouldn't bitch too much with that pick. I wouldn't bitch at all if we could trade down 3-5 slots and still get him.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-08-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

FWIW, I see the top 4 as a combination of Suh, McCoy, Clausen, and Okung (even though he sucks).

St. Louis is taking a DT or QB
Detroit is taking a DT, DE, or OT
Tampa is taking a DT, DE, or OT
Washington is taking a QB

And that may well happen.

However, worst case scenario and Claussen, Suh, and Berry are gone, who's not a reach at that point?

01-08-2010, 10:58 AM
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	I wonder what our one year ago selves would say if we showed them these posts, where we are excusing awful reaches by our GM, the Executive of the Decade, simply because they aren't as bad as the previous reach he made with the #1 pick. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	FWIW, I see the top 4 as a combination of Suh, McCoy, Clausen, and Okung (even though he sucks). St. Louis is taking a DT or QB Detroit is taking a DT, DE, or OT Tampa is taking a DT, DE, or OT Washington is taking a QB __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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DumbHillbillies He-Haw ! He-Haw ! Join Date: Jul 2008 Casino cash: $10004925	I wouldn't bitch too much with that pick. I wouldn't bitch at all if we could trade down 3-5 slots and still get him.
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