Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 2

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

Deberg_1990 · 07-21-2011, 11:38 AM

I see no problem here. The less preseason games the better.

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I see no problem here. The less preseason games the better.

KCrockaholic · 07-21-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I see no problem here. The less preseason games the better.

You'd rather there be zero pre-season games?

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 11:42 AM

i am dying for some god damn football

KCrockaholic · 07-21-2011, 11:45 AM

Is anybody else's twitter not coming up? Bout the last 5 mins it's been saying "could not find twitter.com" ...Is it my CPU or what?

Deberg_1990 · 07-21-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

You'd rather there be zero pre-season games?

Probably not zero, but 1 or 2 is ok with me. Exhibition anything means nothing to me.

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Is anybody else's twitter not coming up? Bout the last 5 mins it's been saying "could not find twitter.com" ...Is it my CPU or what?

must be you

http://twitter.com/#!/albertbreer

he's on the scene and has the most recent updates

KCrockaholic · 07-21-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Probably not zero, but 1 or 2 is ok with me. Exhibition anything means nothing to me.

Yeah but how are you going to evaluate your young talent if you don't get them enough reps in live games against different competition? That's what pre-season is all about. Evaluating talent, and getting the 1st teams some chemistry.

KCrockaholic · 07-21-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

must be you

http://twitter.com/#!/albertbreer

he's on the scene and has the most recent updates

Yeah my browser is screwing up...

ct · 07-21-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

Just an FYI, but Ron Borges is widely viewed in New England as being somewhat of a dipshit asshole blowhard ****face twatbrain asswipe reerun abortion who is good for nothing aside from writing shit-stirring panic-inducing lies. Aside from that, he's a fine reporter.

There's one of those used to work around KC. I wont' type his name, or else he'll accuse me of being racist. Oh, but he's nowhere near a fine reporter, just the former stuff you said.

chiefqueen · 07-21-2011, 12:02 PM

On Arrowhead Pride Albert Breer reports player reps will have conference call at 7:00 CDT.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 12:08 PM

ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk

Sal Paolantonio on ESPN: "We keep hearing from a lot of owners here that . . . Jeffrey Kessler is holding up this deal."

Greg_A_BedardGreg A. Bedard

RT @realfreemancbs: Logan Mankins and Vincent Jackson as of 1:30 eastern, are still holding out for $10 million payment to settle lawsuit..

JFC i hope they both blow out there knees.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 12:09 PM

If im the owners i vote pass it give the players 24hours take it or leave it.

Just Passin' By · 07-21-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk

Sal Paolantonio on ESPN: "We keep hearing from a lot of owners here that . . . Jeffrey Kessler is holding up this deal."

Greg_A_BedardGreg A. Bedard

RT @realfreemancbs: Logan Mankins and Vincent Jackson as of 1:30 eastern, are still holding out for $10 million payment to settle lawsuit..

JFC i hope they both blow out there knees.

They both got screwed out of millions last year, and they want that rectified. I hope they get some form of reparations, either in the form of money or the inability of their teams to franchise them.

KCrockaholic · 07-21-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

They both got screwed out of millions last year, and they want that rectified. I hope they get some form of reparations, either in the form of money or the inability of their teams to franchise them.

I'd hope they get the 2nd option there. In that case there's no hold up.

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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07-21-2011, 11:38 AM	#16
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $244454	I see no problem here. The less preseason games the better.
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07-21-2011, 11:42 AM	#19
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9292208	i am dying for some god damn football __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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07-21-2011, 11:45 AM	#20
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07-21-2011, 12:02 PM	#26
chiefqueen On my throne Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $7932060	On Arrowhead Pride Albert Breer reports player reps will have conference call at 7:00 CDT.
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07-21-2011, 12:08 PM	#27
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk Sal Paolantonio on ESPN: "We keep hearing from a lot of owners here that . . . Jeffrey Kessler is holding up this deal." Greg_A_BedardGreg A. Bedard RT @realfreemancbs: Logan Mankins and Vincent Jackson as of 1:30 eastern, are still holding out for $10 million payment to settle lawsuit.. JFC i hope they both blow out there knees.
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07-21-2011, 12:09 PM	#28
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	If im the owners i vote pass it give the players 24hours take it or leave it.
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