Chiefs Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? - Page 2

**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

chiefzilla1501 · 12-08-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

Too much credit goes to Romeo. Romeo's a terrific X's and O's guy. But he's not a great coach. He's not the fiery guy that's going to get his team playing the way they're playing now.

I always believe attitude is a reflection of the head coach. Right now, we have a shitty team that's actually playing competitively. Meanwhile, Dallas has an insanely talented team that seems to mail it in every other game.

While other GMs are giving their HCs droves of talent, Pioli's giving him scraps and telling him to deal with it.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-08-2011, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Haley doesn't deserve a good QB the way he's handled the Tyler Palko situation.

If he doesn't deserve a good QB, then he needs to get fired.

We have no idea how ready Stanzi is or Orton was. What we do know is that Pioli has forced him to work with pretty much an empty cupboard.

splatbass · 12-08-2011, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

We won't know until he gets another HC job.

I doubt it happens for a few years.

He's going to be lucky to get an OC job next year.

Why would he need a OC job next year? He'll be the Chiefs head coach. He won't get fired. CP armchair GMs may be in a panic (as always) but Pioli won't panic.

RippedmyFlesh · 12-08-2011, 12:37 AM

Before the season started many people said 7-9,8-8 would actually be a pretty good year if there was progress. Now if at that time you had said we will lose Charles Barry and Moeaki for just about the whole season most would have thought that to be a great season for Haley.

Yes it would be a mistake.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 12-08-2011, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Why would he need a OC job next year? He'll be the Chiefs head coach. He won't get fired. CP armchair GMs may be in a panic (as always) but Pioli won't panic.

Haley was suppossed to be fired weeks ago according to Goknownothing remember? He has no more insight than a random 3rd grader. He just throws his knee jerk reactions against the wall hoping something will eventually stick.

splatbass · 12-08-2011, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by beer me

Haley was suppossed to be fired weeks ago according to Goknownothing remember? He has no more insight than a random 3rd grader. He just throws his knee jerk reactions against the wall hoping something will eventually stick.

I know. But he is not alone in that.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2011, 12:45 AM

Didn't vote.

I'd like to see what his offense would look like with a real QB.

12-08-2011, 12:47 AM

I think that the emotional head coach in the Lombardi mold is somewhat passe'. I think about half of coaching is keeping your squad committed and picking up what you're putting down. The other half is preparation, conditioning, execution, luck, scheme and talent. That's a whole lot of variables. But as long as you have 53 who come out and work hard then you deserve an opportunity to have the other variables fall in place. This team has a shortage of talent and luck right now. Injuries have been devastating, no doubt. But even with the health of some key contributors, we're still a little short on talent at some key positions. I doubt Haley gets dumped this year. I think he'll get at least one more year and then they'll assess where they are.

Again, when a team gives up on their head coach, there's really no turning back regardless of who is to blame for their situation. Typically though, if a team gives up on the head coach then he is most likely the cause for the problems.

Rasputin · 12-08-2011, 12:51 AM

Does not matter, if Chiefs GM isn't willing to draft a first round pick and make him the QBotf then there is no hope who ever the HC is.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 12-08-2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

I know. But he is not alone in that.

So you're saying some of the CP membership over-reacts as well... I would agree with you then.

FAX · 12-08-2011, 12:56 AM

There is a phenomenon in life where you wake up one day and realize that you're working harder and enjoying it less. I'm sure many of us have experienced that moment.

I think that's where Haley is in his KCCHC career. He sort of exploded onto the scene like a super-nova ... working 20 hour days, going for it on 4th down, using the on-side kick as an offensive weapon, benching the hell out of his best players, cursing at everybody, calling out enemy coaches on national television, etc. Then, it seemed like he sort of settled down. Then we had the strike/lockout. Then we had a series of devastating injuries to our best players. Then he found out that Muir really is older than cheese. Now, he has to deal with the KC media coming up with even more bizarre stories than they were before that are probably being leaked by Pioli's alien connections.

I wouldn't blame him if he told Pioli to stick it up his ass and go somewhere where he feels appreciated. Like Sandy Vago, for instance.

FAX

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2011, 12:57 AM

The players have completely bought in to Todd. They really seem to like him.

Firing him now, with all the injuries, send a bad message to the team, I think.

These players aren't even remotely close to giving up on Haley.

Pioli needs to remove his head from his ass and draft a ****ing franchise QB.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by beer me

So you're saying some of the CP membership over-reacts as well... I would agree with you then.

No way. We all take it in stride...

Brock · 12-08-2011, 12:59 AM

Franchise record low scoring offense.

Think about the coaches this team has had in the past, and this supposed offensive genius has done worse than they have.

Injuries, no injuries, that's unfathomable. If this team keeps him around for the last year of his contract, it will be for the same reason Carolina and Tennessee kept their lame duck coaches around: They were simply too ****ing cheap to pay them to just go away.

splatbass · 12-08-2011, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by beer me

So you're saying some of the CP membership over-reacts as well... I would agree with you then.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

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yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built.	142	61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please.	79	34.05%
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12-07-2011, 11:54 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1595912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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12-08-2011, 12:37 AM	#19
RippedmyFlesh Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New York Casino cash: $10005817	Before the season started many people said 7-9,8-8 would actually be a pretty good year if there was progress. Now if at that time you had said we will lose Charles Barry and Moeaki for just about the whole season most would have thought that to be a great season for Haley. Yes it would be a mistake.
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12-08-2011, 12:45 AM	#22
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Didn't vote. I'd like to see what his offense would look like with a real QB.
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12-08-2011, 12:47 AM	#23
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	I think that the emotional head coach in the Lombardi mold is somewhat passe'. I think about half of coaching is keeping your squad committed and picking up what you're putting down. The other half is preparation, conditioning, execution, luck, scheme and talent. That's a whole lot of variables. But as long as you have 53 who come out and work hard then you deserve an opportunity to have the other variables fall in place. This team has a shortage of talent and luck right now. Injuries have been devastating, no doubt. But even with the health of some key contributors, we're still a little short on talent at some key positions. I doubt Haley gets dumped this year. I think he'll get at least one more year and then they'll assess where they are. Again, when a team gives up on their head coach, there's really no turning back regardless of who is to blame for their situation. Typically though, if a team gives up on the head coach then he is most likely the cause for the problems.
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12-08-2011, 12:51 AM	#24
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $215421	Does not matter, if Chiefs GM isn't willing to draft a first round pick and make him the QBotf then there is no hope who ever the HC is. __________________ "Those who don't believe in magic will never find it"
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12-08-2011, 12:56 AM	#26
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	There is a phenomenon in life where you wake up one day and realize that you're working harder and enjoying it less. I'm sure many of us have experienced that moment. I think that's where Haley is in his KCCHC career. He sort of exploded onto the scene like a super-nova ... working 20 hour days, going for it on 4th down, using the on-side kick as an offensive weapon, benching the hell out of his best players, cursing at everybody, calling out enemy coaches on national television, etc. Then, it seemed like he sort of settled down. Then we had the strike/lockout. Then we had a series of devastating injuries to our best players. Then he found out that Muir really is older than cheese. Now, he has to deal with the KC media coming up with even more bizarre stories than they were before that are probably being leaked by Pioli's alien connections. I wouldn't blame him if he told Pioli to stick it up his ass and go somewhere where he feels appreciated. Like Sandy Vago, for instance. FAX
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12-08-2011, 12:57 AM	#27
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	The players have completely bought in to Todd. They really seem to like him. Firing him now, with all the injuries, send a bad message to the team, I think. These players aren't even remotely close to giving up on Haley. Pioli needs to remove his head from his ass and draft a ****ing franchise QB.
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12-08-2011, 12:59 AM	#29
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	Franchise record low scoring offense. Think about the coaches this team has had in the past, and this supposed offensive genius has done worse than they have. Injuries, no injuries, that's unfathomable. If this team keeps him around for the last year of his contract, it will be for the same reason Carolina and Tennessee kept their lame duck coaches around: They were simply too ****ing cheap to pay them to just go away.
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