NFL Draft Shefter: The 1st pick is worth ... - Page 2

Mr. Laz · 12-21-2011, 01:15 PM

3 first round picks and two 2nd round picks ... maybe four 1st round picks.

He was talking about how the Rams might just end up with the 1st pick because they play the 49ers and Steelers but the Colts play the jags and texans.

first pick tie would be decided by SOS

his opinion anyway

Rams Fan · 12-21-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

3 first round picks and two 2nd round picks ... maybe four 1st round picks.

He was talking about how the Rams might just end up with the 1st pick because they play the 49ers and Steelers but the Colts play the jags and texans.

first pick tie would be decided by SOS

his opinion anyway

Also, don't forget Minnesota.

**DaKCMan AP** · 12-21-2011, 01:29 PM

1. That's not what the 1st pick is 'worth'
2. They're just anchoring. It's the first asking price in what would be a negotiation.
3. If they insist on a ransom then just call their bluff and see if they take Luck with Bradford on the roster and many other holes.

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

**** it. If the offer is on the table, especially from a team drafting in the top 10 already, Colts would be stupid not to take it. They can get all those picks and Barkley or RGIII
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And then watch other teams trade above them to take Barkley and RGIII.

jd1020 · 12-21-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

1. That's not what the 1st pick is 'worth'
2. They're just anchoring. It's the first asking price in what would be a negotiation.
3. If they insist on a ransom then just call their bluff and see if they take Luck with Bradford on the roster and many other holes.

If the Rams picked first and no one offered them a good deal for the pick why wouldn't they pick Luck? They could still trade him, or they could trade Bradford.

KCrockaholic · 12-21-2011, 01:31 PM

The first pick isn't "worth" that amount. They aren't even taking into account where the trading partner's 1st round pick in 2012 will be. There's a big difference between a Minnesota Vikings 1st and a 49ers 1st.

**DaKCMan AP** · 12-21-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

If the Rams picked first and no one offered them a good deal for the pick why wouldn't they pick Luck? They could still trade him, or they could trade Bradford.

Or they could be stuck with 2 QBs and not upgrading their otherwise awful roster. Once they draft Luck either his or Bradford's (or both) trade value decreases. The 1st pick is worth more prior to the selection.

**Rain Man** · 12-21-2011, 01:34 PM

Does Shefter think that Shanahan and Pioli would trade up?

Rams Fan · 12-21-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

If the Rams picked first and no one offered them a good deal for the pick why wouldn't they pick Luck? They could still trade him, or they could trade Bradford.

Which wouldn't make any ****ing sense when they need a playmaker, and improvements on the OL.

Chiefaholic · 12-21-2011, 01:35 PM

I'd trade a couple first and two second rounders in a heartbeat for an opportunity to have Luck lead this franchise for the next 10-15 years. A lot of people outside the hardcore fans think the Chiefs are multiple pieces away from a Superbowl caliber team. A healthy Charles, Berry, and Moeaki combined with a QB the caliber of Luck could carry this franchise for years to come.

There are multiple prospects in this years draft, but the only guaranteed QB to succeed is Luck, IMO. I'de much rather take a guaranteed option with Luck this year, rather than chance it on a prospect and possible flops with the remaining picks.

jd1020 · 12-21-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Starbucks Fan

Which wouldn't make any ****ing sense when they need a playmaker, and improvements on the OL.

What would make no sense would be passing up on one of the most highly anticipated QB's in the history of the draft and letting the #2 team on the board pick or trade him.

DJ's left nut · 12-21-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

That's if someone is willing to pay that much.

Someone is willing to pay that much.

If the Colts don't end up at #1 overall, they'll have to give up just as many picks as we would to get him. They'll just get the tiebreaker by virtue of sitting at #2 instead of #15.

The glory of that draft position is the bidding war as much as the prize, especially if you're a team like the Rams and you're after a bunch of lineman and WRs. There aren't any elite WRs in the draft this year (or relatively few) and lineman will be gettable in the 10 - 15 range. They have no reason at all to just trade back to 2 for a nominal return.

Fritz88 · 12-21-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

I wouldn't go Ricky Williams for anyone. Its been shown that it doesn't work to give up the future for one player.

Raiders do it and it works......

...for them to continue failing

Rams Fan · 12-21-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

What would make no sense would be passing up on one of the most highly anticipated QB's in the history of the draft and letting the #2 team on the board pick or trade him.

There's no point in drafting Luck. None. Bradford is and will be the franchise's QB for the long run.

They NEED to trade down even if they are in the top 3.

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

What would make no sense would be passing up on one of the most highly anticipated QB's in the history of the draft and letting the #2 team on the board pick or trade him.

It would make no sense to have Bradford and Luck on your roster at the same time. Your trade value for either one would go down....and the cap hit you would take to trade either one of them would **** you in the long run.

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Someone is willing to pay that much.

If the Colts don't end up at #1 overall, they'll have to give up just as many picks as we would to get him. They'll just get the tiebreaker by virtue of sitting at #2 instead of #15.

The glory of that draft position is the bidding war as much as the prize, especially if you're a team like the Rams and you're after a bunch of lineman and WRs. There aren't any elite WRs in the draft this year (or relatively few) and lineman will be gettable in the 10 - 15 range. They have no reason at all to just trade back to 2 for a nominal return.

So if you're sitting at #15.....would you trade 3 1st round picks for the #1 overall spot?

12-21-2011, 01:15 PM
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DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $5624952	1. That's not what the 1st pick is 'worth' 2. They're just anchoring. It's the first asking price in what would be a negotiation. 3. If they insist on a ransom then just call their bluff and see if they take Luck with Bradford on the roster and many other holes. __________________
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KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $3422900	The first pick isn't "worth" that amount. They aren't even taking into account where the trading partner's 1st round pick in 2012 will be. There's a big difference between a Minnesota Vikings 1st and a 49ers 1st.
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Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $432344	I'd trade a couple first and two second rounders in a heartbeat for an opportunity to have Luck lead this franchise for the next 10-15 years. A lot of people outside the hardcore fans think the Chiefs are multiple pieces away from a Superbowl caliber team. A healthy Charles, Berry, and Moeaki combined with a QB the caliber of Luck could carry this franchise for years to come. There are multiple prospects in this years draft, but the only guaranteed QB to succeed is Luck, IMO. I'de much rather take a guaranteed option with Luck this year, rather than chance it on a prospect and possible flops with the remaining picks. __________________
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