Football Should Penn State Get the Death Penalty? - Page 2

**Trivers** · 07-12-2012, 12:14 PM

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...lege_football/

Looks like officials are going from Penn State to state pen. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

What say ye? If so, for how long?

**Old Dog** · 07-12-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper

Defenitly not. What happened was a disgrace but it has really nothing to do with college football. The perpetrator might have been a coach but you shouldn't punish the whole program.

Someone didn't bother reading the article.

vailpass · 07-12-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I don't have kids either. I just think raping children is infinitely worse than betting on baseball games. If that is a lifetime ban, how on Earth can this be classified as not as serious?

Just the opposite. So serious it is in it's own class. Not an NCAA issue.

**Old Dog** · 07-12-2012, 12:44 PM

Here's the one from CBSSports

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ldrens-welfare

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 07-12-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Just the opposite. So serious it is in it's own class. Not an NCAA issue.

I agree it is it's own class. I disagree that it's not an NCAA issue. The program was used to lure children. The program should be punished. Severely.

Frazod · 07-12-2012, 12:48 PM

Death penalty for the school or the program? No. That would hurt too many people who depend on the university for a livelihood who have absolutely nothing to do with this.

Dealth penalty for Sandusky and everybody who enabled/protected him? **** yes. And it shouldn't be quick, either.

**Dave Lane** · 07-12-2012, 12:50 PM

This is the most ridiculously overblown case I've ever seen in my entire life the lengths this goes to is ridiculous, insanity, seriously.

Where's this outrage when this happens to normal people. Dudes going to prison for life, Paterno is dead and disgraced what the **** do you people want. Should Kansas City close because of Bob Bordella? How about the Westport Flea Market he had a booth at?

That dude was 10 zillion times sicker than Sandusky on his worst day.

Setsuna · 07-12-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I agree it is it's own class. I disagree that it's not an NCAA issue. The program was used to lure children. The program should be punished. Severely.

He's right.

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

This is the most ridiculously overblown case I've ever seen in my entire life the lengths this goes to is ridiculous, insanity, seriously.

Where's this outrage when this happens to normal people. Dudes going to prison for life, Paterno is dead and disgraced what the **** do you people want. Should Kansas City close because of Bob Bordella? How about the Westport Flea Market he had a booth at?

That dude was 10 zillion times sicker than Sandusky on his worst day.

**** you. I bet if it had been little girls instead, you wouldn't be saying this stupid shit. GTFO.

Graystoke · 07-12-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper

Defenitly not. What happened was a disgrace but it has really nothing to do with college football. The perpetrator might have been a coach but you shouldn't punish the whole program.

NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL?

**Dave Lane** · 07-12-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna

He's right.

**** you. I bet if it had been little girls instead, you wouldn't be saying this stupid shit. GTFO.

Do you even know who Bob Bordella is? Figured as much.

Dumbass

Mr. Laz · 07-12-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Just the opposite. So serious it is in it's own class. Not an NCAA issue.

NCAA coaches
NCAA school
NCAA school administrator(not sure of the guy's title)
NCCA high profile football program
NCAA events
NCAA school allowed charity
NCAA locker room
NCAA shower
NCAA public perception

i would say it's very much an NCAA issue

DJ's left nut · 07-12-2012, 12:56 PM

A) This is outside the NCAA's Jurisdiction.

B) What has Penn State done wrong? It's Board of Curators? It's students? It's teachers, athletes, rank and file administrators?

Penn State did what every major state university in the country does - it put a few men at the top of its hierarchy and in positions of authority. Penn State's command/oversight structure is no different than any other school's; it's pretty much standard fare. By all outward appearances for 99.999% of the individuals associated with Penn State, nobody had done anything wrong or had reason to believe they had.

The problem is that the 4 men at the top of that chain lied, deceived and covered up evidence of some extraordinarily heinous acts. One of those men is dead and the other 3 are going to pay dearly for it. Those are the people that need to be punished, not the poor souls that are taking over for them. Not the students, teachers, etc... that had absolutely nothing to do with this scandal.

Penn State has done nothing wrong. Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno did and they will be punished for their conduct. To try to ascribe their conduct to an entire University system and make a decision that will negatively impact thousands of completely innocent parties is the worst kind of mob mentality and nothing more than a witch hunt.

Mr. Laz · 07-12-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A) This is outside the NCAA's Jurisdiction.

B) What has Penn State done wrong? It's Board of Curators? It's students? It's teachers, athletes, rank and file administrators?

Penn State did what every major state university in the country does - it put a few men at the top of its hierarchy and in positions of authority. Penn State's command/oversight structure is no different than any other school's; it's pretty much standard fare. By all outward appearances for 99.999% of the individuals associated with Penn State, nobody had done anything wrong or had reason to believe they had.

The problem is that the 4 men at the top of that chain lied, deceived and covered up evidence of some extraordinarily heinous acts. One of those men is dead and the other 3 are going to pay dearly for it. Those are the people that need to be punished, not the poor souls that are taking over for them. Not the students, teachers, etc... that had absolutely nothing to do with this scandal.

Penn State has done nothing wrong. Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno did and they will be punished for their conduct. To try to ascribe their conduct to an entire University system and make a decision that will negatively impact thousands of completely innocent parties is the worst kind of mob mentality and nothing more than a witch hunt.

ignorance is not an excuse

as a collective institution, Penn State allowed multiple children to be raped on school grounds. Penn state continued to allow children to be raped by covering up previous rapes and by protecting the ACTIVE rapist.

A Criminal level of Lack of institutional control

If University can get punished for failing to stop coaches from breaking NCAA recruiting rules etc then it can get punished for this x100000000.

DJ's left nut · 07-12-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

ignorance is not an excuse

as a collective institution, Penn State allowed multiple children to be raped on school grounds. Penn state continued to allow children to be raped by covering up previous rapes and by protecting the ACTIVE rapist.

A Criminal level of Lack of institutional control

If University can get punished for failing to stop coaches from breaking NCAA recruiting rules etc then it can get punished for this x100000000.

So why not just nuke Happy Valley?

Where the hell does it end? Penn State isn't a monolith, it's an organization that is composed of tens of thousands of wholly innocent people that will have their livelihoods irreversably damaged by the decision you want to make. Poor schlubs like the history teacher are going to lose their jobs because this decision will go FAR beyond the football program.

There is no such thing as "Penn State: Collective Institution". There is Penn State, a major state college with a billion dollar economy that had assholes at the top, assholes that did an exceptional job of hiding the fact that they were assholes.

But in the end, when the guys at the very top of the ladder are actively concealing criminal conduct, no amount of oversight is going to be able to fix it because who executes on it? There's always someone at the top of any organizational structure that's capable of bringing that structure to its knees. Unfortunately for Penn State - those men did just that in this instance.

There is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with what Penn State as an entity did here. They did what every single major University in the country does. They also had the misfortune of a very insular group of people at the top of the ladder engaging in unacceptable conduct.

Mr. Laz · 07-12-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So why not just nuke Happy Valley?

jspchief · 07-12-2012, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A) This is outside the NCAA's Jurisdiction.

B) What has Penn State done wrong? It's Board of Curators? It's students? It's teachers, athletes, rank and file administrators?

Penn State did what every major state university in the country does - it put a few men at the top of its hierarchy and in positions of authority. Penn State's command/oversight structure is no different than any other school's; it's pretty much standard fare. By all outward appearances for 99.999% of the individuals associated with Penn State, nobody had done anything wrong or had reason to believe they had.

The problem is that the 4 men at the top of that chain lied, deceived and covered up evidence of some extraordinarily heinous acts. One of those men is dead and the other 3 are going to pay dearly for it. Those are the people that need to be punished, not the poor souls that are taking over for them. Not the students, teachers, etc... that had absolutely nothing to do with this scandal.

Penn State has done nothing wrong. Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno did and they will be punished for their conduct. To try to ascribe their conduct to an entire University system and make a decision that will negatively impact thousands of completely innocent parties is the worst kind of mob mentality and nothing more than a witch hunt.

When Johnny QB takes illegal benefits, the entire program gets punished, while Johnny cashes his NFL checks.

The AD and head coach covered up/ turned a blind eye to molestation, likely for the sake of the football program. Commiting crimes for the program isn't an NCAA issue?

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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-790901	A) This is outside the NCAA's Jurisdiction. B) What has Penn State done wrong? It's Board of Curators? It's students? It's teachers, athletes, rank and file administrators? Penn State did what every major state university in the country does - it put a few men at the top of its hierarchy and in positions of authority. Penn State's command/oversight structure is no different than any other school's; it's pretty much standard fare. By all outward appearances for 99.999% of the individuals associated with Penn State, nobody had done anything wrong or had reason to believe they had. The problem is that the 4 men at the top of that chain lied, deceived and covered up evidence of some extraordinarily heinous acts. One of those men is dead and the other 3 are going to pay dearly for it. Those are the people that need to be punished, not the poor souls that are taking over for them. Not the students, teachers, etc... that had absolutely nothing to do with this scandal. Penn State has done nothing wrong. Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno did and they will be punished for their conduct. To try to ascribe their conduct to an entire University system and make a decision that will negatively impact thousands of completely innocent parties is the worst kind of mob mentality and nothing more than a witch hunt. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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