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Old 11-04-2012, 03:00 PM  
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Cleveland '95: A Football Story
Has anyone had a chance to catch this show? It is a great story of the original Browns' last year in Cleveland before they moved to Baltimore. I enjoyed the hell out of it.

The first half is really a look at Belichick and the staff he had. That Cleveland team was chock full of NFL royalty. Pioli is fetured somewhat prominitely throughout, and he comes across, quite frankly, as a pretty likeable guy. I can see why Clark went after him so hard, especially considering the pedigree he had before coming to KC.

I highly recommend checking it out, especially if you're a fan of the history of the game and remember this as clearly as I do.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2012/10...ayer-reactions

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/10/03/c...content_stream
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:42 PM   #16
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:44 PM   #17
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Had the Browns stayed put they never would have won crap, barring Tom Brady being drafted.
The Cleveland people are absolutely convinced that they would have won a championship. In '96, Baltimore took Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis in the first. Four years later - champs.

Not saying it would have happened, but it would have been interesting to watch.


And I can't say this enough - this is not a Belichick fluff piece (by me, anyway). I was just impressed to see all the familiar faces Bill had on his staff in Cleveland. Guess I didn't have a full view of BB's "tree".

The real story is about Cleveland watching their team leave, pretty much out of the blue. That was the part that fascinated me the most.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:45 PM   #18
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Pioli, as a person, is I am sure a good, likeable guy. I watched this show and also read the book War Room. It's not like he is a disaster as a person.

That said, there is no doubt that the guy is just in over his head as a leader of a football team, and is really horrible in terms of leadership and focus on the right things and relation to employees based on the stuff we've heard coming out of Arrowhead. He just does not belong as a GM of an NFL team. He's fine as the right hand personnel guy of someone else competent calling the shots...
He's not a likeable guy. He's a dictator and treats people poorly inside Arrowhead. There will be a ****ing party the day he's gone inside that complex.

Your last sentence is hilarious. "He's fine as a right hand personnel guy as long as someone competent is calling the shots". That's essentially saying he's worthless. I agree with that. Hell, anyone could work in any profession as long as you have someone who knows what they are doing to help you at every turn.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:47 PM   #19
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The Browns' transformation into the Ravens changed forever how I watch and how much I care about the game. I still enjoy NFL football, but I recognize that the professional football entertainment industry has nothing to do with me and the team is in no way mine. Calling a team the "Denver" Broncos or the "Kansas City" Chiefs is nothing but smart marketing. We wouldn't pay nearly as much attention or money if the Hunt Chiefs played the Bowlen Broncos twice a year.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:51 PM   #20
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The Browns' transformation into the Ravens changed forever how I watch and how much I care about the game. I still enjoy NFL football, but I recognize that the professional football entertainment industry has nothing to do with me and the team is in no way mine. Calling a team the "Denver" Broncos or the "Kansas City" Chiefs is nothing but smart marketing. We wouldn't pay nearly as much attention or money if the Hunt Chiefs played the Bowlen Broncos twice a year.
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That's the cool thing. It's no longer emotional at all for me. It's strictly financial.

That came in handy when I was asked to vote for a new stadium for the Broncos. I voted against it. Move the Broncos to L.A. I'll watch football no matter what city they pretend to represent.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:04 PM   #23
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The Cleveland people are absolutely convinced that they would have won a championship. In '96, Baltimore took Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis in the first. Four years later - champs.
But they weren't coached by Belichick. Nor was he calling the shots in that draft.

He probably would have taken a 5-tech.
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The Cleveland people are absolutely convinced that they would have won a championship. In '96, Baltimore took Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis in the first. Four years later - champs.

Not saying it would have happened, but it would have been interesting to watch.


And I can't say this enough - this is not a Belichick fluff piece (by me, anyway). I was just impressed to see all the familiar faces Bill had on his staff in Cleveland. Guess I didn't have a full view of BB's "tree".

The real story is about Cleveland watching their team leave, pretty much out of the blue. That was the part that fascinated me the most.
Seems Modell was looking for a big payday and Baltimore backed up the Brinks truck.
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That's the cool thing. It's no longer emotional at all for me. It's strictly financial.

That came in handy when I was asked to vote for a new stadium for the Broncos. I voted against it. Move the Broncos to L.A. I'll watch football no matter what city they pretend to represent.
Life is sad sometimes.
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Life is sad sometimes.
Only if you care about the Kansas City Chiefs.

Also if you have to pay the extra sales tax for the stadium. That sucks.
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The Cleveland people are absolutely convinced that they would have won a championship. In '96, Baltimore took Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis in the first. Four years later - champs.
they were champs four years later not because of Belicheck and his shitter pals but because of these drafts POST-belicheck:

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ray lewis

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kim herring

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brandon stokley

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Dimitroff is good basically because he scrapped the patriot way and did what needed to be done
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No he's not.

People inside Arrowhead hate him.

War Room was written by a Pat Way shill.
That's where you differentiate between personality as a leader in the workplace and personality as an individual. I've met and socialized with plenty of people who, when you are not working with them or when you are outside of that work environment, they are great guys, or come across as that. But when they get into the work environment, either they have a warped sense of what it takes to succeed or have no idea what they are doing or just let the power get to their head, and act like total asses. Pioli would not have stuck around in the NFL this long or been the hot commodity he was when we got him if he had been a total arsewipe to everyone he had worked with. Clark is very close to the Kraft family and they highly recommended the guy. But once he got here and he got all the power, he obviously had no idea how to run the show. So he created a crappy workplace and a lot of the people who worked or work under him here dislike him for the way he handles himself in the workplace.

I don't really care about his personality. I dislike him because he's obviously proven to be bad at being a general manager...
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they were champs four years later not because of Belicheck and his shitter pals but because of these drafts POST-belicheck:

96
ogden
ray lewis

97
boulware
jamie sharper
kim herring

98
duane starks

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chris mccailister
brandon stokley

00
jamal lewis
adalius thomas
Yea that, and it was a weird year. The mid to late 90s there were almost no franchise QBs drafted, or they busted big time.

94-97 in particular were overall horrible drafts for QBs. Marino, Aikman, Young and Elway all retired, Manning and McNabb were still a year away from seriously being a threat ........Favres Packers mired in mediocrity for a few years once Holmgren left, Bledsoe was starting to suck....it was like a perfect storm for A defensive team to win it all.
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