Chiefs Fun Andy Reid Article - Page 2

Sorter · 05-19-2013, 03:59 AM

While not exceptionally in-depth, I really enjoyed this article.
Last week, we checked out Mike Martz’s game plan—going back inside the pages of my notebooks from my playing days in the NFL. Schemes, tendencies, route concepts, etc. A complete breakdown of what Martz was doing as a play caller.

Today, let’s take a look at Eagles’ head coach Andy Reid. The west coast system in Philly hasn’t changed much since I was playing them twice a season with the Redskins. An offense that focuses on inside breaking routes. And, like we talked about last week, coaches don’t change their identity.

Here are my game prep notes and a breakdown of the Eagles’ offense…

ICON
Reid's west coast system hasn't changed much over the years.
2005: Philadelphia at Washington
Breakdowns and tendencies are complied from the opponent’s four previous games…

Reid’s personnel groupings:
Pro: 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB
Ace: 2 WR, 2 TE, 1 RB
Posse: 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB
Tank: 1 WR, 2 TE, 2 RB
Jumbo: 3 TE, 2 RB

Key personnel in breakdown:
No. 81: WR Terrell Owens (Owens was the focus of the passing game)
No. 36: RB Brian Westbrook

Receiver terminology
X= Split End
Z=Flanker
Y= on the line TE
U= 2nd TE in the game
W=Slot receiver
R= RB
F= FB

*Game plan tip: No.81 aligned out of position--he is getting the ball.

Screens: 14 total screens: Posse (8x)/ Ace (3x)
1st and 10=5x
2nd and 10=5x

Alerts:
Most screens run in plus territory
9 screens to our left/ 6 to our right
Throwback screen: Alert QB sprint action to our left
Bunch into the boundary (sidelines) alert screen to No.36
No.36 motion to empty= missile (bubble) screen

Gadgets
Alert to No. 81 aligned out of position (T.O. was the “X’” receiver)
Double reverse out of Pro personnel to No.81
Flea-flicker out of Ace personnel: No.81 aligned inside of the numbers
All reverses are run to our right

Eagles 1st and 2nd down
*75% percent pass to run ratio

Top run concepts:
Broken down into two-back and one-back runs. The same runs we see with LeSean McCoy today in Philly.

Two-back runs
1. Lead Weak
2. Stretch Strong
One-back runs
1. Stretch Strong
2. Stretch Weak
3. Draw

ICON
1st and 2nd down? Expect the Hi-Lo passing concepts from Kolb and Philly.
Top pass concepts
*Vs. the west coast system, the majority of the routes want to be completed between the hash marks and the numbers

1. Hi-Lo (square in- shallow crosser)
2. Hi-Lo opposite (shallow crossers from opposite sides)
3. Hi-Lo Triple In (square in-shallow crosser-angle)
4. Middle Read (9-dig-9 combo)
5. All slants
6. Tare (option-flat combo)
7. Yankee (Deep crosser by “Z”/ Deep 7 by “X”)
8. Outs
9. Hitches
10. Flood
11. Options

Formation Alerts:
Broken down by formation/ alignments over personnel

Doubles/ Walk (2 x 2 with TE removed from core of formation)
TE to our right=Run alert
TE to our left=Pass alert
Any motion to create Doubles/ Walk= Pass alert
No.2 over split (wide split)= Run alert
No.36 aligned in slot= Option route
No.81 aligned as “Z” receiver with reduced split (tight split)=“Yankee” alert (deep crossing route—same route we see today from DeSean Jackson)

Doubles/ Near-Far back (2x2 with RB aligned offset near or far)
RB offset to No.81=Hi-Lo route concept (square in-shallow crosser combo)
RB “chowed” (aligned on outside leg of OT) to our right=Sprint Pass alert
QB under center=9 to 1 Pass

Orange (2x2 spread look)
No.1 WRs aligned on bottom of numbers=Out Routes
No.1 WRs aligned on top of numbers= Verticals

Pro Sets
RB aligned at depth of 6-yards or less=3-step passing game
Z with “nasty” split (very tight split)= Flood/ X-Slant to No.81 (route Eagles ran all night in the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots with T.O. on backside of formation)
RB “chowed” to TE= No. 36 on Angle route
I formation=Deep ball
No.81 aligned at Z with pre-snap motion= “Spot Route” (7-crul-flat combo)

Unit/ Unit Slot (2 TEs in the game aligned in core of formation)
9 passes/ 7 runs
Two TEs in wing alignment=Pass alert
Unit Slot (wing with WR slot to the field)= deep ball: Dino (Double Post)/ OVS (Outside Vertical Stretch…9-7-flat combo)
Any WR motion=Pass alert
Both WRs aligned in “nasty” splits=OVS
Formation into the boundary= Dino alert

Trips
RB offset=Pass alert
Motion=Pass alert
No. 81 aligned as No.3 strong=Tare (option-flat combo)
No.81 aligned at X= 9 or slant

Eagles Third Down

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Jackson is a top target in the 3rd down concepts for the Eagles.
Pass Protections
Always know what protection schemes you are going to face in your blitz packages

3rd and 2-6: 6-man protection (10x)
3rd and 7-10” 7-man protections(11x)/ 6-man protections(9x)
3rd and 11-plus: 7-man protection (7x)/ 6-man protection (7 x)

Empty tips (no backs in backfield)
QB under center= 3-step passing tree
QB in gun= Hi-Lo concepts

Alerts:
Doubles Y Off= Double moves
Alert Missile Screen

Top Runs:
1. RB Draw
2. QB Draw
3. Stretch Strong/ Weak

Top Pass Concepts:
Break down the route tree by down and distance

3rd and 2-6
1. Hi-Lo Triple In
2. W Post
3. Outs
4. R Option
5. Flat-Slants
6. Tare (empty)
7. All Slants

3rd and 7-10
1. Middle Read (big play for Jeremy Maclin today)
2. NCAA (Z- Dig/ Y- shallow crosser/ X-Post)
3. Sprint (Smash-7 combo)

3rd and 11+
1. Sticks (All Curls)
2. Dagger (Seam-Dig combo)
3. Double Dig
4. 999 (4 Verticals)
5. Sucker (Curl-Dig combo)
6. Pin (Dig-Post combo)

Eagles 2-minute offense
*Alert screen/draw to start series

Alerts:
97% Posse/ Pony (2 RBs in the backfield)
3 screens
6-man protection (13x)
7-man protection (6x)

Top 2-minute concepts:
1. Middle Read
2. Tare
3. Curl-Flat
4. 4 Verticals
5. Whip Options
6. Zone Pass (short curls)
7. Sprint: 7-Flat combo

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Eagles' RB LeSean McCoy.
Eagles Red Zone
Concepts are broken down into High Red Zone (25-16 yard line) and Red Zone (15 to goal line)

Alerts:
Will run the ball to set up passing concepts
Alert screen and check down to No.36
WR motions inside of the numbers= point of attack
WR motions outside of the numbers=waste motion
Empty with No.81 aligned inside of numbers=middle of the field ISO route

High Red Zone Concepts:
1. PIN
2. Middle Read
3. X ISO
4. Scissors (8-7 combo)
5. MOF ISO
6. Outs

Red Zone Concepts:
1. Spot
2. Flood
3. Hi-Lo
4. Hi-lo Triple in Flood (square in-shallow crosser-angle-R swing)
5. Sprint Option

Critical Plays
Backed up. 3rd and short. Four-minute situation. 4th down play. What do the Eagles run when they are protecting a lead or need to move the sticks?

*8 total plays we scouted: 6 passes/ 2 runs

2 runs
1. RB Flip
2. 20 Trap

6 passes (all to our left)
1. Spot (2x)
2. Wheel route (No.36)
3. Tare
4. Outs
5. Sprint option

*2-point play: No.81 aligns in backfield/ run sprint option

*Our lead call in a critical play situation? Cover 2 out of a 4-3 Over front

Eagles goal line
Top personnel: Jumbo/ Tank

Top runs: ( 4 of 6 runs to our right)
1. Stretch
2. Lead Weak
3. Lead Strong
4. Power Bob O (back on backer)

Top Passes:
1. Boot
2. Sprint Option
3. Pop Pass (Y quick release)
4. 7-Falt

“Gotta Have it” play
Every offense has a play/ concept they will run with the game on the line. Vs. Philly we broke down two of them.

Eagles "Gotta Have it" Plays
1. Hi-Lo crossers
2. Dagger

That’s a wrap. Word for word from my notes during our game prep for Andy Reid’s Eagles. Looking at the concepts, we will see the same routes, runs and red zone passing tree this Sunday when the Eagles host the Falcons that we did back in 2005. The west coast offense has added some new concepts over time, but when you break it down by down and distance, formations and situational football—it really hasn’t changed.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...game-plan.html

Bowen's spelling needs to improve but this article was probably written at 2AM

keg in kc · 05-19-2013, 10:13 AM

Read this, then go look up the scores to the 2005 Eagles/Redskins games and then try not to think of this primer as being 8 years old and spread all over the league.

beach tribe · 05-19-2013, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I assume they are high % chance for completion with minimal gain. With guys like D Bowe can break away from tackles or lean forward for extra yards.

My big concern is if we end up with a bunch of three and outs from incomplete passes and we don't give the defense much rest. Dustin Colquitt could have another busy year ahead of him.

Smith has had at or close to 70% comp. pct. the last two seasons and the short passes are the ones he was hitting on, so you can probably quell those fears at least.

I'm more worried about him being able to hit Bowe deep, who will be playing the T.O. role for us.
If he can it's gonna be nasty.

I'll hold out hope till I see it.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-19-2013, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleRob

Spot on.

Thanks. There seems to be this misperception that because Reid doesn't run the ball, he's Mike Martz. It's not the same thing. Martz was just too arrogant to run the ball. Andy Reid's offense is more similar to the New England offense in the early 2000s with Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk. Nobody would have accused those guys of not valuing their RBs.

milkman · 05-19-2013, 10:34 AM

I am not as down on Alex Smith as some.

I believe in Reid's offense that he can continue to be an efficient, effctive game manager, as he was in SF, even if he's asked to pass 30-35 times a game, and that Charles and Bowe (and Cyrus Gray, who I still believe was a great pick last year) will be big time YAC players with the accuracy that Smith has in the short zones and the intermediate middle.

My problem is that I just don't believe that game plan can be successful against the better defenses in this league, and those defenses can take that away from Smith and the Chiefs, forcing Smith to beat them by taking the top off, which he hasn't shown he is capable of doing.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-19-2013, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

I am not as down on Alex Smith as some.

I believe in Reid's offense that he can continue to be an efficient, effctive game manager, as he was in SF, even if he's asked to pass 30-35 times a game, and that Charles and Bowe (and Cyrus Gray, who I still believe was a great pick last year) will be big time YAC players with the accuracy that Smith has in the short zones and the intermediate middle.

My problem is that I just don't believe that game plan can be successful against the better defenses in this league, and those defenses can take that away from Smith and the Chiefs, forcing Smith to beat them by taking the top off, which he hasn't shown he is capable of doing.

The more I read up on the pistol, the more I'm intrigued. I agree with what you're saying here, but it's interesting that a guy who's been in the league this long (Reid) is interested in changing his ways.

If they figure out how to make the spread option and pistol work, and Smith or Daniel could very possibly do that, that makes the offense a lot less one-dimensional. And even the best defenses of today haven't yet figured out the solution here.

boogblaster · 05-19-2013, 10:57 AM

basic westcoast .. schemes altered by what OC .. SHOULD SEE .. as game progresses .....

EagleRob · 05-19-2013, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Thanks. There seems to be this misperception that because Reid doesn't run the ball, he's Mike Martz. It's not the same thing. Martz was just too arrogant to run the ball. Andy Reid's offense is more similar to the New England offense in the early 2000s with Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk. Nobody would have accused those guys of not valuing their RBs.

He does run but its about 57/43 in favor of the pass and he throws in some traditional running spots like 1st and Goal from the 3, so it seems like that's all he does. What does this thing in when it blows up is holding calls on the tackles and procedure calls - I remember an inordinate number of illegal formation calls. Then he's forced to throw and everyone knows its coming...so he will run a HB screen on 3rd and 19.

**SAUTO** · 05-19-2013, 11:09 AM

Its funny how many here bashed the pistol when gailey was using it
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crazycoffey · 05-19-2013, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Its funny how many here bashed the pistol when gailey was using it
Posted via Mobile Device

It's a fad that will never last in the pros, defenses are too fast for it to be used all the time. Sound familiar?

crazycoffey · 05-19-2013, 04:11 PM

Absolute gold, thigpen, Alex, chase and the pistol all in one thread.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...Pistol+offense

**SAUTO** · 05-19-2013, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

It's a fad that will never last in the pros, defenses are too fast for it to be used all the time. Sound familiar?

Exactly. Lol
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bigjosh · 05-19-2013, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I assume they are high % chance for completion with minimal gain. With guys like D Bowe can break away from tackles or lean forward for extra yards.

My big concern is if we end up with a bunch of three and outs from incomplete passes and we don't give the defense much rest. Dustin Colquitt could have another busy year ahead of him.

Too risky, must run on first and second down. /true fan

Simply Red · 05-19-2013, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleRob

This offense is really fun to watch. The screen and short pass are used where a lot of teams would traditionally run.

Hopefully the Chiefs can run those sort of plays, we're mentally challenged ya know?

crazycoffey · 05-19-2013, 04:34 PM

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...82&postcount=3

What's the over under on clays flip flop back to loving AS?

beach tribe · 05-19-2013, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...82&postcount=3

What's the over under on clays flip flop back to loving AS?

You can go back to after the 2011 POs and TONS of people on this board were drinking his jizz and saying he had come of age.
A lot of those same people now shit all over him.

05-19-2013, 03:59 AM
Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9611474	Fun Andy Reid Article While not exceptionally in-depth, I really enjoyed this article. Last week, we checked out Mike Martz’s game plan—going back inside the pages of my notebooks from my playing days in the NFL. Schemes, tendencies, route concepts, etc. A complete breakdown of what Martz was doing as a play caller. Today, let’s take a look at Eagles’ head coach Andy Reid. The west coast system in Philly hasn’t changed much since I was playing them twice a season with the Redskins. An offense that focuses on inside breaking routes. And, like we talked about last week, coaches don’t change their identity. Here are my game prep notes and a breakdown of the Eagles’ offense… ICON Reid's west coast system hasn't changed much over the years. 2005: Philadelphia at Washington Breakdowns and tendencies are complied from the opponent’s four previous games… Reid’s personnel groupings: Pro: 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB Ace: 2 WR, 2 TE, 1 RB Posse: 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB Tank: 1 WR, 2 TE, 2 RB Jumbo: 3 TE, 2 RB Key personnel in breakdown: No. 81: WR Terrell Owens (Owens was the focus of the passing game) No. 36: RB Brian Westbrook Receiver terminology X= Split End Z=Flanker Y= on the line TE U= 2nd TE in the game W=Slot receiver R= RB F= FB Game plan tip: No.81 aligned out of position--he is getting the ball. Screens: 14 total screens: Posse (8x)/ Ace (3x) 1st and 10=5x 2nd and 10=5x Alerts: Most screens run in plus territory 9 screens to our left/ 6 to our right Throwback screen: Alert QB sprint action to our left Bunch into the boundary (sidelines) alert screen to No.36 No.36 motion to empty= missile (bubble) screen Gadgets Alert to No. 81 aligned out of position (T.O. was the “X’” receiver) Double reverse out of Pro personnel to No.81 Flea-flicker out of Ace personnel: No.81 aligned inside of the numbers All reverses are run to our right Eagles 1st and 2nd down 75% percent pass to run ratio Top run concepts: Broken down into two-back and one-back runs. The same runs we see with LeSean McCoy today in Philly. Two-back runs 1. Lead Weak 2. Stretch Strong One-back runs 1. Stretch Strong 2. Stretch Weak 3. Draw ICON 1st and 2nd down? Expect the Hi-Lo passing concepts from Kolb and Philly. Top pass concepts Vs. the west coast system, the majority of the routes want to be completed between the hash marks and the numbers 1. Hi-Lo (square in- shallow crosser) 2. Hi-Lo opposite (shallow crossers from opposite sides) 3. Hi-Lo Triple In (square in-shallow crosser-angle) 4. Middle Read (9-dig-9 combo) 5. All slants 6. Tare (option-flat combo) 7. Yankee (Deep crosser by “Z”/ Deep 7 by “X”) 8. Outs 9. Hitches 10. Flood 11. Options Formation Alerts: Broken down by formation/ alignments over personnel Doubles/ Walk (2 x 2 with TE removed from core of formation) TE to our right=Run alert TE to our left=Pass alert Any motion to create Doubles/ Walk= Pass alert No.2 over split (wide split)= Run alert No.36 aligned in slot= Option route No.81 aligned as “Z” receiver with reduced split (tight split)=“Yankee” alert (deep crossing route—same route we see today from DeSean Jackson) Doubles/ Near-Far back (2x2 with RB aligned offset near or far) RB offset to No.81=Hi-Lo route concept (square in-shallow crosser combo) RB “chowed” (aligned on outside leg of OT) to our right=Sprint Pass alert QB under center=9 to 1 Pass Orange (2x2 spread look) No.1 WRs aligned on bottom of numbers=Out Routes No.1 WRs aligned on top of numbers= Verticals Pro Sets RB aligned at depth of 6-yards or less=3-step passing game Z with “nasty” split (very tight split)= Flood/ X-Slant to No.81 (route Eagles ran all night in the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots with T.O. on backside of formation) RB “chowed” to TE= No. 36 on Angle route I formation=Deep ball No.81 aligned at Z with pre-snap motion= “Spot Route” (7-crul-flat combo) Unit/ Unit Slot (2 TEs in the game aligned in core of formation) 9 passes/ 7 runs Two TEs in wing alignment=Pass alert Unit Slot (wing with WR slot to the field)= deep ball: Dino (Double Post)/ OVS (Outside Vertical Stretch…9-7-flat combo) Any WR motion=Pass alert Both WRs aligned in “nasty” splits=OVS Formation into the boundary= Dino alert Trips RB offset=Pass alert Motion=Pass alert No. 81 aligned as No.3 strong=Tare (option-flat combo) No.81 aligned at X= 9 or slant Eagles Third Down ICON Jackson is a top target in the 3rd down concepts for the Eagles. Pass Protections Always know what protection schemes you are going to face in your blitz packages 3rd and 2-6: 6-man protection (10x) 3rd and 7-10” 7-man protections(11x)/ 6-man protections(9x) 3rd and 11-plus: 7-man protection (7x)/ 6-man protection (7 x) Empty tips (no backs in backfield) QB under center= 3-step passing tree QB in gun= Hi-Lo concepts Alerts: Doubles Y Off= Double moves Alert Missile Screen Top Runs: 1. RB Draw 2. QB Draw 3. Stretch Strong/ Weak Top Pass Concepts: Break down the route tree by down and distance 3rd and 2-6 1. Hi-Lo Triple In 2. W Post 3. Outs 4. R Option 5. Flat-Slants 6. Tare (empty) 7. All Slants 3rd and 7-10 1. Middle Read (big play for Jeremy Maclin today) 2. NCAA (Z- Dig/ Y- shallow crosser/ X-Post) 3. Sprint (Smash-7 combo) 3rd and 11+ 1. Sticks (All Curls) 2. Dagger (Seam-Dig combo) 3. Double Dig 4. 999 (4 Verticals) 5. Sucker (Curl-Dig combo) 6. Pin (Dig-Post combo) Eagles 2-minute offense Alert screen/draw to start series Alerts: 97% Posse/ Pony (2 RBs in the backfield) 3 screens 6-man protection (13x) 7-man protection (6x) Top 2-minute concepts: 1. Middle Read 2. Tare 3. Curl-Flat 4. 4 Verticals 5. Whip Options 6. Zone Pass (short curls) 7. Sprint: 7-Flat combo ICON Eagles' RB LeSean McCoy. Eagles Red Zone Concepts are broken down into High Red Zone (25-16 yard line) and Red Zone (15 to goal line) Alerts: Will run the ball to set up passing concepts Alert screen and check down to No.36 WR motions inside of the numbers= point of attack WR motions outside of the numbers=waste motion Empty with No.81 aligned inside of numbers=middle of the field ISO route High Red Zone Concepts: 1. PIN 2. Middle Read 3. X ISO 4. Scissors (8-7 combo) 5. MOF ISO 6. Outs Red Zone Concepts: 1. Spot 2. Flood 3. Hi-Lo 4. Hi-lo Triple in Flood (square in-shallow crosser-angle-R swing) 5. Sprint Option Critical Plays Backed up. 3rd and short. Four-minute situation. 4th down play. What do the Eagles run when they are protecting a lead or need to move the sticks? 8 total plays we scouted: 6 passes/ 2 runs 2 runs 1. RB Flip 2. 20 Trap 6 passes (all to our left) 1. Spot (2x) 2. Wheel route (No.36) 3. Tare 4. Outs 5. Sprint option 2-point play: No.81 aligns in backfield/ run sprint option *Our lead call in a critical play situation? Cover 2 out of a 4-3 Over front Eagles goal line Top personnel: Jumbo/ Tank Top runs: ( 4 of 6 runs to our right) 1. Stretch 2. Lead Weak 3. Lead Strong 4. Power Bob O (back on backer) Top Passes: 1. Boot 2. Sprint Option 3. Pop Pass (Y quick release) 4. 7-Falt “Gotta Have it” play Every offense has a play/ concept they will run with the game on the line. Vs. Philly we broke down two of them. Eagles "Gotta Have it" Plays 1. Hi-Lo crossers 2. Dagger That’s a wrap. Word for word from my notes during our game prep for Andy Reid’s Eagles. Looking at the concepts, we will see the same routes, runs and red zone passing tree this Sunday when the Eagles host the Falcons that we did back in 2005. The west coast offense has added some new concepts over time, but when you break it down by down and distance, formations and situational football—it really hasn’t changed. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...game-plan.html Bowen's spelling needs to improve but this article was probably written at 2AM
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	I am not as down on Alex Smith as some. I believe in Reid's offense that he can continue to be an efficient, effctive game manager, as he was in SF, even if he's asked to pass 30-35 times a game, and that Charles and Bowe (and Cyrus Gray, who I still believe was a great pick last year) will be big time YAC players with the accuracy that Smith has in the short zones and the intermediate middle. My problem is that I just don't believe that game plan can be successful against the better defenses in this league, and those defenses can take that away from Smith and the Chiefs, forcing Smith to beat them by taking the top off, which he hasn't shown he is capable of doing. __________________
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