Xs and Os: The Denver Pick Plays

[petegz28]

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nf...blockID=949223

Very interesting read...long but interesting

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Nah, it's just a set of complimentary routes.

Hardly.....

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Nah, it's just a set of complimentary routes.

That just happen to run receivers into direct contact with a neutral defender and impede their path to the play before the ball is thrown.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Strongside

That just happen to run receivers into direct contact with a neutral defender and impede their path to the play before the ball is thrown.

They aren't making contact, and it's not the receiver's fault when the cover guy guesses wrong.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by listopencil

They aren't making contact, and it's not the receiver's fault when the cover guy guesses wrong.

Actually in some instances they are making contact but not enough so it's considered "incidental"

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by listopencil

They aren't making contact, and it's not the receiver's fault when the cover guy guesses wrong.

Give me a ****ing break dude. Do you even watch the games? They are making tons of contact. When a ****ing linebacker has to do a swim move on a receiver to get around him...that's the result of an illegal pick play.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Actually in some instances they are making contact but not enough so it's considered "incidental"

Yeah, I meant meaningful contact.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by listopencil

They aren't making contact, and it's not the receiver's fault when the cover guy guesses wrong.

So decker never made contact with the browns defender in a previous gif shown?

[Strongside]

This is from another article...

3. Defending the “pick” play: Two thoughts behind this. If you are going to play from an off-man position (like we see from the Texans), the CB has to take an angle to the receiver that will allow him to make a play on ball. On the replay, the CB takes a flat angle—and that isn’t the proper technique. Instead, take an angle that puts you in a position to play the “up field” shoulder of the WR. However, from my perspective, there is no need to play off-man coverage inside of the 10-yard line—because there are too many opportunities to get beat. Align in a press-man look and attack the WR. Disrupt his release and force the “pick” to come right through you—which should draw a flag. Bottom line: don’t give the WR room to breathe inside of the 10-yard line and play physical when Cover 0 is called in the huddle.

Teams are trying to do this, but the officials aren't calling it.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Give me a ****ing break dude. Do you even watch the games? They are making tons of contact. When a ****ing linebacker has to do a swim move on a receiver to get around him...that's the result of an illegal pick play.

You mean that last gif where the LB doesn't adjust to our TE and gets caught in the middle of the field because the D set up wrong? Not our fault, dude. Make that decision before the snap or climb uphill with everybody watching.

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

The Chiefs should start incorporating these plays into their offense.

I mean, hell, if they're not going to call it, then might as well take advantage of it.

If they start calling it on KC, the they'll have to start calling it on Denver too. What have we got to lose??


"If you ain't cheatin, then you ain't tryin."

are you NEW to every thing?

WE ARE THE CHIEFS
WE DO NOT GET CALLS


denver could set up a minefield, and a machine gun nest and it would be legal
you every watched line play?


****in' n00b

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Yeah, I meant meaningful contact.

They are having the pick guys turn around like they are expecting a pass which is pure bullshit. Look, this is more on the league than it is on Denver. However, as was stated before, we got called 3 times in 1 game last year for this shit and suddenly now it's okay as long as it's Manning.

I would be interested to see other teams do this and see how it gets called.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by petegz28

They are having the pick guys turn around like they are expecting a pass which is pure bullshit. Look, this is more on the league than it is on Denver. However, as was stated before, we got called 3 times in 1 game last year for this shit and suddenly now it's okay as long as it's Manning.

I would be interested to see other teams do this and see how it gets called.

Denver should take advantage of however the refs are calling every single game they play. The refs tend to suck, they are far from consistent on pass interference (O or D) and this is legal. They'd be stupid not to do it.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by listopencil

You mean that last gif where the LB doesn't adjust to our TE and gets caught in the middle of the field because the D set up wrong? Not our fault, dude. Make that decision before the snap or climb uphill with everybody watching.

I agree that there is plenty of misalignment going on in those gifs, but I'm not referring specifically to those gifs. Eric Decker today, on several plays, completely blocked a guy before the ball left Manning's hands. Welker too. The screen play to Demaryius Thomas was an obvious one. 2 defenders were engaged by blockers before the pass had been thrown. Jim Nance mentioned something like "Welker did a great job of timing his block just as Manning threw it" but that was bullshit. It was early.

I know we'll see it next week and I know it'll piss me off. I do feel confident though that our secondary is athletic and physical enough to counter it and probably make it work in our favor. Those wheel routes are the ones that Peyton has been picked on...and it's happened because he expects the pick to open the receiver up...when the corner or safety takes a good route to the ball and isn't knocked off his path by one of the other receivers, they're in a prime position to undercut the route and snatch the ball.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by Strongside

I agree that there is plenty of misalignment going on in those gifs, but I'm not referring specifically to those gifs. Eric Decker today, on several plays, completely blocked a guy before the ball left Manning's hands. Welker too. The screen play to Demaryius Thomas was an obvious one. 2 defenders were engaged by blockers before the pass had been thrown. Jim Nance mentioned something like "Welker did a great job of timing his block just as Manning threw it" but that was bullshit. It was early.

I know we'll see it next week and I know it'll piss me off. I do feel confident though that our secondary is athletic and physical enough to counter it and probably make it work in our favor. Those wheel routes are the ones that Peyton has been picked on...and it's happened because he expects the pick to open the receiver up...when the corner or safety takes a good route to the ball and isn't knocked off his path by one of the other receivers, they're in a prime position to undercut the route and snatch the ball.

Not to mention Chris Clark had a blatant hold on a guy in that play. He practically tried to tackle the defender

[Ragged Robin]

There's a difference between an illegal pick-play and designed rub routes versus man coverage. These are the reasons why bunch formations even exist. It's only illegal if the receivers are actively blocking/knocking people over before the ball is in the air. Lern2football noobs.