Chiefs Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit? - Page 2

Rexx · 01-05-2014, 03:38 PM

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Anyone who thinks JC had any choice in playing after the injury or not is pretty GD dumb.

I understand football. I know he didn't have a choice. It's an unfortunate thing that probably hurt us in the 4th quarter but we'll never know.

**007** · 01-05-2014, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

I'll tell you who the shine had tarnished on. As much as I love him, Jamaal Charles. I know he legitimately got hurt but in games like that you have to be there for your team, especially when you're the best player on the team.

I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii.

You do realize that was not Jamaals decision right? the doctors would not let him play.

kcpasco · 01-05-2014, 03:53 PM

Was anyone truly confident in handing the ball off to Davis all game with his fumbling issues? Andy would have ran the ball more if Charles did not get hurt.

NWTF · 01-05-2014, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

shit yes. he is what he is, and he's Dick Schottenheimer part II.

we'll never win a Super Bowl with him.

we'll prolly never win a Super Bowl anyway.

I'm gonna go outside and lay in the snow.

Probably.

Andy is a good coach but when the heat is turned up ala Playoffs, hes not at his best at playcalling and such.

Like Dungy said, Andy called the entire 2nd half like the score was 0-0. A bit more clock bleeding and the Colts just dont have enough possessions to make that comeback.

Hammock Parties · 01-05-2014, 03:53 PM

No. We played a playoff game with Dwayne Bowe and a bunch of scrubs and scored 44 points.

**** all Andy Reid haters. He is who I thought he was, and I'm glad he's our coach.

Molitoth · 01-05-2014, 03:55 PM

Eagles fans probably laughed their asses off while watching our game yesterday.

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

You do realize that was not Jamaals decision right? the doctors would not let him play.

Yes I do know that. I just think it will tarnish his legacy as a Chief. I don't agree with it but there will always be the "what if Jamall didn't get hurt" hanging over his head.

Eleazar · 01-05-2014, 03:55 PM

Reid is the same person he's always been.

jspchief · 01-05-2014, 03:56 PM

I knew about #1 and #4 and am already feeling that frustration.

I'll wait and see on #2 and #3

Discuss Thrower · 01-05-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

Yes I do know that. I just think it will tarnish his legacy as a Chief. I don't agree with it but there will always be the "what if Jamall didn't get hurt" hanging over his head.

Jamaal is less than 300 yards away from being the top Chiefs rusher of all time. His legacy in the eyes of Chiefs fans is all but cemented.

Prison Bitch · 01-05-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

shit yes. he is what he is, and he's Dick Schottenheimer part II.

we'll never win a Super Bowl with him.

we'll prolly never win a Super Bowl anyway.

I'm gonna go outside and lay in the snow.

/endthread

ThaVirus · 01-05-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

Yes I do know that. I just think it will tarnish his legacy as a Chief. I don't agree with it but there will always be the "what if Jamall didn't get hurt" hanging over his head.

If shouldn't be at all.

If I remember correctly, Jamaal had something like 9 carries for 91 yards and a TD in the playoff game against Baltimore. He was one the only bright spots.

Then he came out and had, what, three runs for about 20 yards against Indy last night? He likely would have had another big game.

Jamaal deserves no heat.

**mlyonsd** · 01-05-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Reid is the same person he's always been.

There's the troubling part.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-05-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978

Yes I do know that. I just think it will tarnish his legacy as a Chief. I don't agree with it but there will always be the "what if Jamall didn't get hurt" hanging over his head.

There's no way it affects his legacy. It was clear as day that this was not Jamaal's decision to make, and he was pissed about it. The concussion test was conducted by a person who has no affiliation with the Chiefs. Charles, Reid, Hunt... none of those guys have any say whatsoever on whether Charles can go back into the game.

Big Poppa Payne · 01-05-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Jamaal is less than 300 yards away from being the top Chiefs rusher of all time. His legacy in the eyes of Chiefs fans is all but cemented.

He's one of the best no doubt, he's my favorite player. All I'm saying is him not being there was the equivilant of Priest Holmes fumbling in the no punt game. We needed Jamaal yesterday if only for the respect that the defense gives him and he could've been a valuable weapon in the 2nd half. Which we needed, but I understand he got hurt and he had no choice but to sit out. It just seems like these types of things always happen to us. 1993 and Montana going down with a concussion in Buffalo, things like that.

01-05-2014, 03:38 PM
Rexx Seeing Red! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NM, USA Casino cash: $10005814	Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit? I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry... It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point. 1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this. 2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL. 3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis. 4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ. I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents..... I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?
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