Chiefs Allen Bailey - Page 2

jonzie04 · 10-26-2014, 07:20 PM

Is now tied with hali for 4 sacks on the season. And now has tied sacks from Jackson and Devito last year combined. What do you guys think of him? he's literally the opposite of Jackson/devito, he isn't very impressive against the run, but has turned out to be a solid pass rusher. i think he's the biggest difference maker amongst our dline this year, the interior pressure has been great. Its unfortunate he waited this long to pan out. do you guys think we'll be able to resign him? What kind of money do you guys think he's worth, or will end up getting? I have to think, if he keeps piling up sacks, he could at least fetch 7 million a year minimum somewhere, if jackson got 5 mill...

chiefzilla1501 · 10-26-2014, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I definitely think you cut DeVito, and re-sign Bailey.

I don't think it's likely, however. I fear the Chiefs will let Bailey walk and retain DeVito. That's a huge ego-blow by a GM to actively keep a draft pick of a prior regime and actively cut a premier free agent that Dorsey himself acquired.

Hmm... I guess we'll see if that's true. I'd have to think Reid would have something to say about that. We've already heard Dorsey specifically say he realized after year 1 that Sutton's defense needs 1-gappers that can get pass rush vs. 2-gappers which was his rationale for signing Vance Walker. So I would bet that Dorsey is smart enough to realize DeVito isn't the best option for him at DE.

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

DeVito was a premier free agent?

Are you ****ing high?

Premier free agent.

Dipshit.

Unless I'm monumentally wrong, and I don't think I am, the contract we gave him is the largest of any freshly recruited Dorsey pickup not named Alex Smith.

Whatever term you want to give that is fine by me. But it doesn't change the facts.

**RealSNR** · 10-26-2014, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Unless I'm monumentally wrong, and I don't think I am, the contract we gave him is the largest of any freshly recruited Dorsey pickup not named Alex Smith.

Whatever term you want to give that is fine by me. But it doesn't change the facts.

Sean Smith makes more per year than DeVito

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Hmm... I guess we'll see if that's true. I'd have to think Reid would have something to say about that. We've already heard Dorsey specifically say he realized after year 1 that Sutton's defense needs 1-gappers that can get pass rush vs. 2-gappers which was his rationale for signing Vance Walker. So I would bet that Dorsey is smart enough to realize DeVito isn't the best option for him at DE.

DeVito was getting blown by the commentators in the preseason for "working hard to be a three down DE."

My guess is, as always, he will sell Dorsey on that fantasy because getting GMs to admit they were wrong on FAs is like pulling teeth.

Replacing DeVito with Bailey would be the 100% correct move, but it would involve active moves by the GM on both players, when the GM has his chips pushed in with the wrong one. If Dorsey does nothing (which I fear he will), we're going to get DeVito impotently slapping into OLs on passing downs instead of Bailey's uber-athletic finesse.

But, hey. At least we'd get a compensatory pick.

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Sean Smith makes more per year than DeVito

That's fair.

milkman · 10-26-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Unless I'm monumentally wrong, and I don't think I am, the contract we gave him is the largest of any freshly recruited Dorsey pickup not named Alex Smith.

Whatever term you want to give that is fine by me. But it doesn't change the facts.

Mike DeVito was a 2nd tier free agent.

If he got a big contract, he was overpaid.

Those are the facts, dumbass.

**Rausch** · 10-26-2014, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Unless I'm monumentally wrong, and I don't think I am, the contract we gave him is the largest of any freshly recruited Dorsey pickup not named Alex Smith.

Whatever term you want to give that is fine by me. But it doesn't change the facts.

Sean Smith's was bigger. Bowe's was bigger.

Dorsey doesn't actually sign FA players so, for him, that'd be a high priced free agent...

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Sean Smith's was bigger. Bowe's was bigger.

Dorsey doesn't actually sign FA players so, for him, that'd be a high priced free agent...

Bowe was not freshly recruited, he was already in the building. But I hear you on Smith.

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Mike DeVito was a 2nd tier free agent.

If he got a big contract, he was overpaid.

Those are the facts, dumbass.

Whatever you want to call him. Doesn't really change the gist of my point.

O.city · 10-26-2014, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

DeVito was getting blown by the commentators in the preseason for "working hard to be a three down DE."

My guess is, as always, he will sell Dorsey on that fantasy because getting GMs to admit they were wrong on FAs is like pulling teeth.

Replacing DeVito with Bailey would be the 100% correct move, but it would involve active moves by the GM on both players, when the GM has his chips pushed in with the wrong one. If Dorsey does nothing (which I fear he will), we're going to get DeVito impotently slapping into OLs on passing downs instead of Bailey's uber-athletic finesse.

But, hey. At least we'd get a compensatory pick.

First off, pulling teeth isn't horribly difficult.

Second, DeVito tore an Achilles and isn't that young. Move on

**RealSNR** · 10-26-2014, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

DeVito was getting blown by the commentators in the preseason for "working hard to be a three down DE."

My guess is, as always, he will sell Dorsey on that fantasy because getting GMs to admit they were wrong on FAs is like pulling teeth.

Replacing DeVito with Bailey would be the 100% correct move, but it would involve active moves by the GM on both players, when the GM has his chips pushed in with the wrong one. If Dorsey does nothing (which I fear he will), we're going to get DeVito impotently slapping into OLs on passing downs instead of Bailey's uber-athletic finesse.

But, hey. At least we'd get a compensatory pick.

Dorsey wasn't wrong about DeVito. DeVito was what we signed him to be. He's a decent player. He just got injured. And now we have other needs. That shit happens all the ****ing time.

We have to spend money on ****ing somebody. And Houston isn't going to get a JJ Watt contract.

Maybe Bailey challenges the waters and gets a crazy ****ing pile of cash from some team. But it's outrageous to think that Dorsey has any allegiance to DeVito over Bailey just because he made the decision to acquire one guy over the other. Bailey is younger, more athletic, and all-around a better player, and ANY GM, even ****ing Scott Pioli, will attempt to re-sign a guy like that.

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

First off, pulling teeth isn't horribly difficult.

I reverse my entire argument.

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Dorsey wasn't wrong about DeVito. DeVito was what we signed him to be. He's a decent player. He just got injured. And now we have other needs. That shit happens all the ****ing time.

We have to spend money on ****ing somebody. And Houston isn't going to get a JJ Watt contract.

Maybe Bailey challenges the waters and gets a crazy ****ing pile of cash from some team. But it's outrageous to think that Dorsey has any allegiance to DeVito over Bailey just because he made the decision to acquire one guy over the other. Bailey is younger, more athletic, and all-around a better player, and ANY GM, even ****ing Scott Pioli, will attempt to re-sign a guy like that.

Of course, I hope you're right.

Last offseason, however, has me wary.

Hoover · 10-26-2014, 09:47 PM

You do what you can to keep players like Bailey and Hudson on this team. Yes, Houston is going to make a lot of money, but that doesn't mean you can't keep these guys too.

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 09:54 PM

I've argued that the Chiefs need to spend money to keep Houston, Hudson, Bailey, Vickerson, Josh Martin, Sherman, Demetrius Harris, Mauga, Chris Owens, and Gafford back.

This is a winning squad. We just need to extend Hali, have a really good draft class, and somehow get a #2 WR.

10-26-2014, 07:20 PM
jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5716817	Allen Bailey Is now tied with hali for 4 sacks on the season. And now has tied sacks from Jackson and Devito last year combined. What do you guys think of him? he's literally the opposite of Jackson/devito, he isn't very impressive against the run, but has turned out to be a solid pass rusher. i think he's the biggest difference maker amongst our dline this year, the interior pressure has been great. Its unfortunate he waited this long to pan out. do you guys think we'll be able to resign him? What kind of money do you guys think he's worth, or will end up getting? I have to think, if he keeps piling up sacks, he could at least fetch 7 million a year minimum somewhere, if jackson got 5 mill...
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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-2101821	You do what you can to keep players like Bailey and Hudson on this team. Yes, Houston is going to make a lot of money, but that doesn't mean you can't keep these guys too.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I've argued that the Chiefs need to spend money to keep Houston, Hudson, Bailey, Vickerson, Josh Martin, Sherman, Demetrius Harris, Mauga, Chris Owens, and Gafford back. This is a winning squad. We just need to extend Hali, have a really good draft class, and somehow get a #2 WR.
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