Other Sports #1 NBA pick Ben Simmons rips the NCAA and the 'one and done' system - Page 2

Deberg_1990 · 11-02-2016, 12:52 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...entley-at-lsu/

In a new documentary that will air at 9 p.m. ET on Friday on Showtime, Philadelphia 76ers rookie and No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft Ben Simmons rips the NCAA for what he feels is exploitation of him in preventing him from being paid for his play at LSU. Transcript from ESPN:

"The NCAA is really f---ed up," Simmons said on "One and Done," a film that will air on Showtime on Friday night. "Everybody's making money except the players. We're the ones waking up early as hell to be the best teams and do everything they want us to do and then the players get nothing. They say education, but if I'm there for a year, I can't get much education."

"[Coach] Jones said, 'We need to make up a punishment if you miss another class,'" Simmons said. "I missed my next class about preparing for better study habits. I'm going to the NBA next season. Why bull---- if it's not going to help me?"

"The NCAA is messed up," Simmons said. "I don't have a voice. ... I don't get paid to do it. Don't say I'm an amateur and make me take pictures and sign stuff and go make hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars off one person. ... I'm going off on the NCAA. Just wait, just wait. I can be a voice for everybody in college. I'm here because I have to be here [at LSU]. ... I can't get a degree in two semesters, so it's kind of pointless. I feel like I'm wasting time."

Amnorix · 11-02-2016, 01:56 PM

College athletics are a joke of a system, where players get very little for the massive amount of revenue they generate.

Mr. Laz · 11-02-2016, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He won't; he's talented as hell.

But he also quit on his team halfway through the season and would take off entire games. In a sport where one player can literally make a 20 win difference, he was so disinterested that LSU couldn't even make it to the NCAA tournament despite having 12 gimme games in conference play and another 12-14 gimmes in non-con.

The guy is unquestionably an asshole but in the NBA, his combination of size, quickness and exceptional court vision is going to overcome being a doucherocket 99 times out of 100.

You're probably right but i can still hope.

quit on his team, quit on his school and a prima donna bitch to boot

Maybe his NBA team will hate him so much that they just **** him over. *cross fingers*

BlackHelicopters · 11-02-2016, 02:05 PM

Simmons is an idiot. Go back to the ghetto and try to earn millions.

**RealSNR** · 11-02-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Simmons is an idiot. Go back to the ghetto and try to earn millions.

Simmons grew up in Wales and Australia. He didn't live in the United States until high school. He's hardly from the 'hood.

DJ's left nut · 11-02-2016, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

You're probably right but i can still hope.

quit on his team, quit on his school and a prima donna bitch to boot

Maybe his NBA team will hate him so much that they just **** him over. *cross fingers*

As a Lakers fan, I was torn on who I preferred. I do love Simmons talent but man his attitude was just shit at LSU and knowing that, this little outburst of his doesn't surprise me.

Ingram's a more limited player but he may actually be as good a fit for the new NBA if it keeps going in the 3 and D direction. And as for his attitude, there are few better.

Simmons needs work on his temperament and his jump shot. Ingram needs work on his functional strength and his handles. I think Ingram's fixes are easier but I also don't think his ceiling is nearly as high.

ThaVirus · 11-02-2016, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Simmons grew up in Wales and Australia. He didn't live in the United States until high school. He's hardly from the 'hood.

No, no.

Let Nathan Bedford Vailpass and theelusiveJohnCalhoun continue..

jettio · 11-02-2016, 03:08 PM

LSU with Ben Simmons only generated revenue because of the structure of the NCAA.

I am sure that a lot of people who spent money to watch that disappointing team feels cheated.

I am not sure what revenue Ben Simmons generated that would not have been generated anyway. The team did not even make the NCAA Tournament and then turned down going to the NIT.

If I was a Sixers fan, I would be worried about whether this guy has a winning attitude.

O.city · 11-02-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As a Lakers fan, I was torn on who I preferred. I do love Simmons talent but man his attitude was just shit at LSU and knowing that, this little outburst of his doesn't surprise me.

Ingram's a more limited player but he may actually be as good a fit for the new NBA if it keeps going in the 3 and D direction. And as for his attitude, there are few better.

Simmons needs work on his temperament and his jump shot. Ingram needs work on his functional strength and his handles. I think Ingram's fixes are easier but I also don't think his ceiling is nearly as high.

Similar to qbs coming in and needing to develop qccuracy, how many guys get to the nba that aren't good shooter and develop into good shooters?

I feel like that's a pretty short list.

ClevelandBronco · 11-02-2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

... In a new documentary that will air at 9 p.m. ET on Friday on Showtime, Philadelphia 76ers rookie and No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft Ben Simmons rips the NCAA for what he feels is exploitation of him in preventing him from being paid for his play at LSU ...

Ben apparently ****ed up. He should have just become the number 1 pick straight out of high school.

On the other hand, if that wouldn't have happened without him playing at LSU, **** Ben and his one-year-of-college-education opinion.

Personally, I think colleges should pay these guys. Also personally, I don't give a shit what any 20-year-old has to say about anything except possibly music.

BlackHelicopters · 11-02-2016, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Simmons grew up in Wales and Australia. He didn't live in the United States until high school. He's hardly from the 'hood.

Dude is handed a fortune and complains about how it happened. I am quite certain Wales and Australia have 'hoods.

POND_OF_RED · 11-02-2016, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

I am not sure what revenue Ben Simmons generated that would not have been generated anyway. The team did not even make the NCAA Tournament and then turned down going to the NIT.

People like to watch talented players. No talent, no fans in the stand. Looks like Simmons generated a ton of money in just one year.

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rou...c8965b490.html

The LSU men’s basketball team posted the third-highest increase in the country in paid attendance from the 2014-15 season to the 2015-16 season, according to figures released Wednesday by the NCAA.

The Tigers averaged 11,382 fans for 18 games at the Pete Maravich Assembly Center in 2015-16 for an increase of 2,485 per game over their 2014-15 figure of 8,897 a game.

This past season, four LSU games were classified as sellouts with at least 13,215 tickets sold.

LSU finished third behind Maryland, which had an increase of 5,169 paid attendance, and Alabama, who improved by 2,934 over the previous season.

LSU, which ranked 35th in the nation in paid attendance per game, was one of 43 Division I schools to average more than 10,000 tickets sold this season.

The Southeastern Conference finished second in the country in total average attendance for its 240 games at 11,144, an increase of 325 from last season.

BWillie · 11-02-2016, 04:02 PM

Why does everyone always blame the NCAA? The NCAA doesn't want the one and done rule. They don't even want a two and done rule. The NBA is the one that has the rule, forcing all this upon the NCAA and making tons of kids who have no interest in going to college otherwise, to go. Yet nobody blames the NBA. The NBA basically is taking advantage of the situation to run a no cost minor league system. It's genius move by the NBA to be honest and a dream for NBA GMs. But any animosity should be direct toward the NBA, not the NCAA.

I don't think I like Simmons much after reading his commentary about going to college. I agree with other posters. Nobody made him go to college, he went to college over taking 1M+ to play in Australia or Europe. He apparently valued the American exposure more than doing so. LSU and the NCAA helped provide that platform. It was a mutually beneficial relationship. I don't understand why there is this new found hatred the last say 10 years about the NCAA not paying kids. I agree they should be able to profit off of their likeness outside of school, but in no way shape or form should the school or NCAA have to pay the athlete.

BWillie · 11-02-2016, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Ben apparently ****ed up. He should have just become the number 1 pick straight out of high school.

On the other hand, if that wouldn't have happened without him playing at LSU, **** Ben and his one-year-of-college-education opinion.

Personally, I think colleges should pay these guys. Also personally, I don't give a shit what any 20-year-old has to say about anything except possibly music.

Colleges and the NCAA shouldn't have to pay a player anything. The athlete goes in KNOWING they will NOT get paid. They know this. It's been this way for eons. Nobody is forcing anyone to go to college. They can go play euro ball and MAKE money if they want. That is up to them. None of this is the NCAA's fault. The only thing I believe that these kids should be allowed to do is profit of of their likeness when they are in college OUTSIDE of classes and practice. If they want to get paid to appear on Around the Horn, they should be able to. If they wish to sign endorsement deals, they should be able to. If they want to be paid for an appearance or to sign autographs, they should be able to. But the NCAA and school owe the student athlete nothing beyond an athletic scholarship and STIPEND that many get above and beyond room and board already.

BWillie · 11-02-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Dude is handed a fortune and complains about how it happened. I am quite certain Wales and Australia have 'hoods.

He's not from the hood man. His dad was a pro ball player as well. Just because you aren't from the hood, doesn't mean you can't be ignorant. Plenty of people are ignorant that come from affluent households.

He just happens to suffer from "oh poor me sydrome" and the "blaming others" syndrome.

ClevelandBronco · 11-02-2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Colleges and the NCAA shouldn't have to pay a player anything. The athlete goes in KNOWING they will NOT get paid. They know this. It's been this way for eons. Nobody is forcing anyone to go to college. They can go play euro ball and MAKE money if they want. That is up to them. None of this is the NCAA's fault. The only thing I believe that these kids should be allowed to do is profit of of their likeness when they are in college OUTSIDE of classes and practice. If they want to get paid to appear on Around the Horn, they should be able to. If they wish to sign endorsement deals, they should be able to. If they want to be paid for an appearance or to sign autographs, they should be able to. But the NCAA and school owe the student athlete nothing beyond an athletic scholarship and STIPEND that many get above and beyond room and board already.

True, no one is forcing the kids to go to college and I certainly wouldn't want to force the schools to pay their players.

What I would like is for schools to be allowed to pay their players if they choose to do so. Soon enough, they'd all be doing it or their cash cows would quickly dry up and give no more free milk.

The vast majority of college players won't make a dime at the pro level unless they become ushers.

11-02-2016, 12:52 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $324454	#1 NBA pick Ben Simmons rips the NCAA and the 'one and done' system http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...entley-at-lsu/ In a new documentary that will air at 9 p.m. ET on Friday on Showtime, Philadelphia 76ers rookie and No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft Ben Simmons rips the NCAA for what he feels is exploitation of him in preventing him from being paid for his play at LSU. Transcript from ESPN: "The NCAA is really f---ed up," Simmons said on "One and Done," a film that will air on Showtime on Friday night. "Everybody's making money except the players. We're the ones waking up early as hell to be the best teams and do everything they want us to do and then the players get nothing. They say education, but if I'm there for a year, I can't get much education." "[Coach] Jones said, 'We need to make up a punishment if you miss another class,'" Simmons said. "I missed my next class about preparing for better study habits. I'm going to the NBA next season. Why bull---- if it's not going to help me?" "The NCAA is messed up," Simmons said. "I don't have a voice. ... I don't get paid to do it. Don't say I'm an amateur and make me take pictures and sign stuff and go make hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars off one person. ... I'm going off on the NCAA. Just wait, just wait. I can be a voice for everybody in college. I'm here because I have to be here [at LSU]. ... I can't get a degree in two semesters, so it's kind of pointless. I feel like I'm wasting time."
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jettio MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $4504930	LSU with Ben Simmons only generated revenue because of the structure of the NCAA. I am sure that a lot of people who spent money to watch that disappointing team feels cheated. I am not sure what revenue Ben Simmons generated that would not have been generated anyway. The team did not even make the NCAA Tournament and then turned down going to the NIT. If I was a Sixers fan, I would be worried about whether this guy has a winning attitude. __________________ Where Ignorance is Bliss, 'Tis Folly to be Wise. __
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BWillie Are you ready to Rumble? Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $-1248759	Why does everyone always blame the NCAA? The NCAA doesn't want the one and done rule. They don't even want a two and done rule. The NBA is the one that has the rule, forcing all this upon the NCAA and making tons of kids who have no interest in going to college otherwise, to go. Yet nobody blames the NBA. The NBA basically is taking advantage of the situation to run a no cost minor league system. It's genius move by the NBA to be honest and a dream for NBA GMs. But any animosity should be direct toward the NBA, not the NCAA. I don't think I like Simmons much after reading his commentary about going to college. I agree with other posters. Nobody made him go to college, he went to college over taking 1M+ to play in Australia or Europe. He apparently valued the American exposure more than doing so. LSU and the NCAA helped provide that platform. It was a mutually beneficial relationship. I don't understand why there is this new found hatred the last say 10 years about the NCAA not paying kids. I agree they should be able to profit off of their likeness outside of school, but in no way shape or form should the school or NCAA have to pay the athlete.
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