Chiefs Late night bullshit: Where does this team need to improve? - Page 2

Direckshun · 01-16-2017, 11:29 PM

1. Name the areas this team needs to go to the Super Bowl.

2. Rank it on a scale of 1-10.

QB

Like 85% of the NFL, we need to upgrade at this position. However, Smith was hardly *THE* reason we lost. We do, however, badly need a new #2 on the roster who can be groomed to take over for the future.

9/10

RB

I think it's pretty clear that Ware is a steady presence on the field, but he's not a game breaker, and he doesn't always get every yard he could. Jamaal is a huge question mark, and Charcandrick West is a good dude to have on the roster but he's a backup at best. We need another RB (or two), one of whom can break a game open.

10/10

WR

We have two really good dudes at the top of the depth chart, and Conley is a solid #3. We could use some more talent to round out the bottom of the roster, however.

5/10

TE

Our #1 is an All Pro, and Harris would be a solid #2 if he wasn't reliable for one ****-up per game. Both of the guys we have for the #3 spot are alright for now.

2/10

OT

Our starters are solid, though Fisher is probably a league-average LT at best. The depth here is okay, too -- Witzmann and Jah Reid are under contract for 2017 and are both acceptable talents.

2/10

OG

Somebody here on this board mentioned the Chiefs were 4-0 with Parker Ehinger starting this year. I don't know; I think it's fine to assume he can lock down the position for a year, but the Chiefs really need to be looking for new blood who can control the line of scrimmage here. LDT is fine, Fulton is an iffy backup, and both are hitting free agency in 2018. Chiefs need to make a key investment here.

8/10

C

Morse is solid and Fulton is a good backup.

1/10

NT

I'll allow for some flexibility here with Poe's situation. If this team does the right thing and brings Poe back, they've also got Howard for another year and T.J. Barnes is a solid backup. I'd say NT is a small need then -- however if Poe departs and Howard is only under contract for 2017, you can vault this position way up.

2/10 with Poe, 6/10 without Poe

DE

Chiefs are super loaded here, assuming Howard and Bailey come back with no problems. Even if we move Howard to NT, we've got tons of talent at the position.

1/10

OLB

I think the Chiefs need new blood here. Hali is coming back in 2017, but he contributed very little on the field. Houston/Ford is a solid combo, but the Chiefs need a very good third option to turn to if/when one of them go down. Zombo is just a guy.

6/10

ILB

I think this team has more talent at this position than CP would care to admit. I'm in the minority here, but I think we need to coach up Ramik a bit more and then roll with him, Mauga, March, and Alexander while we wait for DJ to return late in the season. I'm not opposed to bringing in some new blood here, but I don't think we're needing to draft a stud in 2017 like many on CP believe.

4/10

CB

Chiefs need to make extending Terrance Mitchell a thing this offseason. Mitchell played his ass off against the Steelers, and looks like the real deal. So long as he is, a Mitchell/Peters combo is money. Gaines is a quality backup, and White still has potential. I'd like someone for the slot better than Nelson, but Nelson has competed pretty hard this year so I wouldn't worry too much there, either. Nevertheless, this is one position you can't have enough talent at.

3/10

S

Assuming this team does the right thing and extends Berry, this team is set at safety. Berry/Parker is a Top 3 safety combo in the NFL, and Sorensen (who is an RFA) and Murray are good backups. If the team loses Berry, well.... unless Murray is a revelation, we're in trouble here.

1/10 with Berry, 7/10 without

ST

Santos is an RFA, Colquitt is Colquitt, and Winchester seems to be alright.

1/10

**Baby Lee** · 01-17-2017, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jimidollar

Looks about right. I'd say the two most glaring needs are ILB and OLine. A stud RB would be nice though.

Wow, how rare I open a thread and find so concise an answer mirroring my own immediately.

Position specialists could use an upgrade if we're sticking with the coordinators. Either their schemes are inferior, or the team is executing them subpar.

Hammock Parties · 01-17-2017, 12:47 AM

I'm going to assume the DL returns to form with Howard and Bailey coming back. Those guys were a lynchpin up front with DJ, and when we lost all three, the run defense bottomed out.

Other than QB, which won't be addressed until 2018 due to the dearth of QB talent in this coming draft, the Chiefs need to find a pass rusher, inside linebacker and guard in that order.

1. Houston is a gamble, Hali is done, and Ford is hit or miss. The Chiefs absolutely need to find an OLB.

2. Our ILBs are a crying shame. Average at best. If we don't find at least one blue chip ILB in the draft or FA, the defense will suffer again against top-flight rushing attacks.

3. Our guards are well below average, and that was a huge hindrance this year for our running game. Ehinger looked OK in limited duty, but shouldn't be counted upon. Fulton and Dr. Guard aren't NFL starters.

Direckshun · 01-17-2017, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

As soon as you can manage a response to this interaction. To be fair, I did ask for a response before you made this one.

Nah. I'm good.

Sorter · 01-17-2017, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Nah. I'm good.

Hammock Parties · 01-17-2017, 01:01 AM

Someone is seriously suggesting we spend more money on Derrick Johnson and wait for him to recover?

He's done.

Hali and DJ should be flushed. Colquitt, too. He's making too much money next year considering our cap constraints.

Be the Steelers. Be the Pats. Be the Packers. Dump your aging players. New blood.

**Baby Lee** · 01-17-2017, 01:10 AM

QB

4/10 - Alex is the organization's guy, and a lot is invested in making him a cog in an intricate machine. Not a lot behind him. Always be on a keen lookout for draft talent. Trainers, coaches and philosophy seem to be a likely hidden deficit.

RB

10/10 - West fallen off a cliff, Don't want to stretch Hill too thin, Ware can't carry the entire load. We need a reliable rock toter to balance the system reliably

WR

7/10

TE

2/10 - Two talented starters with potential, but lingering correctible brain farts.

OT

5/10 - We need a blue chipper, but we'll probably rely on improved health and cohesion.

OG

8/10 - Erhinger flashed, but time will tell how he returns, the rest is meh

C

2/10

NT

Who knows - Poe likely gone, possibly disgruntled if he stays

DE

1/10

OLB

7/10

ILB

10/10

CB

2/10

S

2/10 - Berry will be paid, but we still have too many big breakdowns for the talent level

ST

1/10

Nickhead · 01-17-2017, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana

Someone is seriously suggesting we spend more money on Derrick Johnson and wait for him to recover?

He's done.

Hali and DJ should be flushed. Colquitt, too. He's making too much money next year considering our cap constraints.

Be the Steelers. Be the Pats. Be the Packers. Dump your aging players. New blood.

as long as anyone we have does not get traded to a playoff caliber team. the last thing the chiefs need to do is let go of someone and they help another contender excel above us.

**cdcox** · 01-17-2017, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana

Someone is seriously suggesting we spend more money on Derrick Johnson and wait for him to recover?

He's done.

Hali and DJ should be flushed. Colquitt, too. He's making too much money next year considering our cap constraints.

Be the Steelers. Be the Pats. Be the Packers. Dump your aging players. New blood.

**cdcox** · 01-17-2017, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickhead

as long as anyone we have does not get traded to a playoff caliber team. the last thing the chiefs need to do is let go of someone and they help another contender excel above us.

Better to lose a guy with one year left in the tank than to pay an overinflated salary for 3 years so they can play for one.

Nickhead · 01-17-2017, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Better to lose a guy with one year left in the tank than to pay an overinflated salary for 3 years so they can play for one.

i could be wrong, but i believe dallas signed alfred morris simply so they didn't have to face him twice a year

St. Patty's Fire · 01-17-2017, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana

Someone is seriously suggesting we spend more money on Derrick Johnson and wait for him to recover?

He's done.

Hali and DJ should be flushed. Colquitt, too. He's making too much money next year considering our cap constraints.

Be the Steelers. Be the Pats. Be the Packers. Dump your aging players. New blood.

Yah. Appreciate what they have provided for us over the years, but loyalty doesn't get you anywhere in sports. What they were 5 years ago has no bearing on what they are now. They could and should be upgraded on.

mcaj22 · 01-17-2017, 05:21 AM

QB, ILB, DE

those linebackers and replacement DEs we had for our injured starters got absolutely slaughtered by Bell.

Red Dawg · 01-17-2017, 06:17 AM

The OL sucks and sucked in many games. Can't run the ball for crap and let's face it Smith must have perfect blocking to be good. Having him sucks. He can't put up points on the worst defenses in the league. That was proven this year. We must get better on the OL or the offense will be crap again next year. We also need to find better RBs. We have nothing special there.

Warrior5 · 01-17-2017, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

The OL sucks and sucked in many games. Can't run the ball for crap and let's face it Smith must have perfect blocking to be good. Having him sucks. He can't put up points on the worst defenses in the league. That was proven this year. We must get better on the OL or the offense will be crap again next year. We also need to find better RBs. We have nothing special there.

Mirroring this, and NOT making excuses for AS, we MUST improve the O-line. Run-blocking sucks; our 3rd-down conversion rate was atrocious, and how many of those were 3rd and shorts where we had to pass simply because we couldn't bang out 1 frickin' yard for a 1st down.

I don't know the root cause... unskilled O-linemen, goofy run schemes, or a combo of both? Bottom line: we can't run for 2 yards when we need to convert.

Deberg_1990 · 01-17-2017, 07:01 AM

I just don't get the Poe love?

What does he do well? He doesn't rush the passer and the Chiefs run D is crap.

To me he's a Jag.

01-16-2017, 11:29 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	Late night bullshit: Where does this team need to improve? 1. Name the areas this team needs to go to the Super Bowl. 2. Rank it on a scale of 1-10. QB Like 85% of the NFL, we need to upgrade at this position. However, Smith was hardly *THE* reason we lost. We do, however, badly need a new #2 on the roster who can be groomed to take over for the future. 9/10 RB I think it's pretty clear that Ware is a steady presence on the field, but he's not a game breaker, and he doesn't always get every yard he could. Jamaal is a huge question mark, and Charcandrick West is a good dude to have on the roster but he's a backup at best. We need another RB (or two), one of whom can break a game open. 10/10 WR We have two really good dudes at the top of the depth chart, and Conley is a solid #3. We could use some more talent to round out the bottom of the roster, however. 5/10 TE Our #1 is an All Pro, and Harris would be a solid #2 if he wasn't reliable for one ***-up per game. Both of the guys we have for the #3 spot are alright for now. 2/10* OT Our starters are solid, though Fisher is probably a league-average LT at best. The depth here is okay, too -- Witzmann and Jah Reid are under contract for 2017 and are both acceptable talents. 2/10 OG Somebody here on this board mentioned the Chiefs were 4-0 with Parker Ehinger starting this year. I don't know; I think it's fine to assume he can lock down the position for a year, but the Chiefs really need to be looking for new blood who can control the line of scrimmage here. LDT is fine, Fulton is an iffy backup, and both are hitting free agency in 2018. Chiefs need to make a key investment here. 8/10 C Morse is solid and Fulton is a good backup. 1/10 NT I'll allow for some flexibility here with Poe's situation. If this team does the right thing and brings Poe back, they've also got Howard for another year and T.J. Barnes is a solid backup. I'd say NT is a small need then -- however if Poe departs and Howard is only under contract for 2017, you can vault this position way up. 2/10 with Poe, 6/10 without Poe DE Chiefs are super loaded here, assuming Howard and Bailey come back with no problems. Even if we move Howard to NT, we've got tons of talent at the position. 1/10 OLB I think the Chiefs need new blood here. Hali is coming back in 2017, but he contributed very little on the field. Houston/Ford is a solid combo, but the Chiefs need a very good third option to turn to if/when one of them go down. Zombo is just a guy. 6/10 ILB I think this team has more talent at this position than CP would care to admit. I'm in the minority here, but I think we need to coach up Ramik a bit more and then roll with him, Mauga, March, and Alexander while we wait for DJ to return late in the season. I'm not opposed to bringing in some new blood here, but I don't think we're needing to draft a stud in 2017 like many on CP believe. 4/10 CB Chiefs need to make extending Terrance Mitchell a thing this offseason. Mitchell played his ass off against the Steelers, and looks like the real deal. So long as he is, a Mitchell/Peters combo is money. Gaines is a quality backup, and White still has potential. I'd like someone for the slot better than Nelson, but Nelson has competed pretty hard this year so I wouldn't worry too much there, either. Nevertheless, this is one position you can't have enough talent at. 3/10 S Assuming this team does the right thing and extends Berry, this team is set at safety. Berry/Parker is a Top 3 safety combo in the NFL, and Sorensen (who is an RFA) and Murray are good backups. If the team loses Berry, well.... unless Murray is a revelation, we're in trouble here. 1/10 with Berry, 7/10 without ST Santos is an RFA, Colquitt is Colquitt, and Winchester seems to be alright. 1/10
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01-17-2017, 12:47 AM	#17
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1000478	I'm going to assume the DL returns to form with Howard and Bailey coming back. Those guys were a lynchpin up front with DJ, and when we lost all three, the run defense bottomed out. Other than QB, which won't be addressed until 2018 due to the dearth of QB talent in this coming draft, the Chiefs need to find a pass rusher, inside linebacker and guard in that order. 1. Houston is a gamble, Hali is done, and Ford is hit or miss. The Chiefs absolutely need to find an OLB. 2. Our ILBs are a crying shame. Average at best. If we don't find at least one blue chip ILB in the draft or FA, the defense will suffer again against top-flight rushing attacks. 3. Our guards are well below average, and that was a huge hindrance this year for our running game. Ehinger looked OK in limited duty, but shouldn't be counted upon. Fulton and Dr. Guard aren't NFL starters.
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01-17-2017, 01:01 AM	#20
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1000478	Someone is seriously suggesting we spend more money on Derrick Johnson and wait for him to recover? He's done. Hali and DJ should be flushed. Colquitt, too. He's making too much money next year considering our cap constraints. Be the Steelers. Be the Pats. Be the Packers. Dump your aging players. New blood.
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01-17-2017, 01:10 AM	#21
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $8028275	QB 4/10 - Alex is the organization's guy, and a lot is invested in making him a cog in an intricate machine. Not a lot behind him. Always be on a keen lookout for draft talent. Trainers, coaches and philosophy seem to be a likely hidden deficit. RB 10/10 - West fallen off a cliff, Don't want to stretch Hill too thin, Ware can't carry the entire load. We need a reliable rock toter to balance the system reliably WR 7/10 TE 2/10 - Two talented starters with potential, but lingering correctible brain farts. OT 5/10 - We need a blue chipper, but we'll probably rely on improved health and cohesion. OG 8/10 - Erhinger flashed, but time will tell how he returns, the rest is meh C 2/10 NT Who knows - Poe likely gone, possibly disgruntled if he stays DE 1/10 OLB 7/10 ILB 10/10 CB 2/10 S 2/10 - Berry will be paid, but we still have too many big breakdowns for the talent level ST 1/10
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01-17-2017, 05:21 AM	#27
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	QB, ILB, DE those linebackers and replacement DEs we had for our injured starters got absolutely slaughtered by Bell.
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01-17-2017, 06:17 AM	#28
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1432858	The OL sucks and sucked in many games. Can't run the ball for crap and let's face it Smith must have perfect blocking to be good. Having him sucks. He can't put up points on the worst defenses in the league. That was proven this year. We must get better on the OL or the offense will be crap again next year. We also need to find better RBs. We have nothing special there. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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01-17-2017, 07:01 AM	#30
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $304454	I just don't get the Poe love? What does he do well? He doesn't rush the passer and the Chiefs run D is crap. To me he's a Jag. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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