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Old 04-17-2017, 12:12 PM  
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Reid on drafting Alex's replacement: "(Alex) understands how this works"
"He's long enough in his career to understand how all of this works." -- coach Andy Reid on quarterback Alex Smith and the possibility the Chiefs might draft his eventual successor

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Old 04-17-2017, 01:48 PM   #16
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Andy Reid has not 'pushed' the development of any young QB since he's been here.

You can tell when a team is really trying to push the success of a young QB.

We haven't.

Every young QB we've draft under Reid is gone except Bray. I believe that's because Bray has been so easy to keep. I don't believe he even used(because he was on IR) a roster spot until 2016. He's our token young guy to keep around so the Chiefs can look like they are trying.

If we don't pick a QB this year OR set up a play to get a QB next year(ie trade for more picks next year etc.) then that is all you need to know about what Reid really thinks about Alex Smith.
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Old 04-17-2017, 01:49 PM   #17
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The only people who thought that were the typical idiots of this board.
Most of us were just hoping, more than anything.
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Old 04-17-2017, 01:50 PM   #18
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Most of us were just hoping, more than anything.
Yup, I loved Murray, but there's no denying that it was wishful thinking on my part.
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Old 04-17-2017, 01:51 PM   #19
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If the Chiefs had any belief that Aaron Murray was going to make Alex Smith expendable, they wouldn't have taken D'Anthony Thomas in the 4th and just hoped/prayed that this franchise signal caller fell to them a round later.

You know what teams think about quarterbacks based on where they draft them. This isn't a position they're willing to **** around and game the system on because if they read the board wrong, the consequences are just too great. That's why you can say the Cowboys just got ****ing lucky with Dak - he wasn't anywhere near the top of their board but Jerrah was dead set on taking a QB and by the 4th, that was who he had available to him. If Cody Kessler was still available he may well have taken him - he wanted a quarterback and that was the guy left standing. The 'boys got lucky.

If you think you see a starting QB on the board, you take him by the end of the 2nd - period. Otherwise you're just hoping you get lucky with a turd you can polish into a competent game manager.
We all know they wanted Lynch, but apparently they wanted Connor Cook before Dak, so they would have passed on him again if the Raiders didn't swoop up and nab Cook.

God I wish that one ****ing time we're the team that gets lucky.
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Old 04-17-2017, 01:53 PM   #20
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How I felt about Murray vs. how the Chiefs felt about Murray are two different things. I've admitted over and over again to being wrong about Murray.

If somebody like me that thought he could be the QBOTF can clearly see they never felt the same way, how can you not?
Because it's a take driven more through seeing things through red-and-yellow colored glasses more so than you in particular having insight that's beyond that of anyone else on this board as well as the "experts" in the media and how things played out in that particular draft class

Murray's injured knee caused his draft stock to fall, absolutely. But to the fifth round? And passed up in favor of Logan Thomas getting selected by the Cards where Murray's pedigree as a career-ranked SEC passer would have made a lot more sense to clipboard hold for a season or two behind Palmer and Stanton?

Nah. 32 FOs had him pegged fairly in retrospect as a career backup at best and an also-ran QB washout at worst.
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Old 04-17-2017, 01:56 PM   #21
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If you think you see a starting QB on the board, you take him by the end of the 2nd - period. Otherwise you're just hoping you get lucky with a turd you can polish into a competent game manager.
That's how I'd think most FOs value QBotF prospects now -especially since the arrival of Russell Wilson.

You don't look like too much of a genius waiting to nab a potential starter in the 3rd round if someone else beats you to the punch.
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Andy Reid has not 'pushed' the development of any young QB since he's been here.

You can tell when a team is really trying to push the success of a young QB.

We haven't.

Every young QB we've draft under Reid is gone except Bray. I believe that's because Bray has been so easy to keep. I don't believe he even used(because he was on IR) a roster spot until 2016. He's our token young guy to keep around so the Chiefs can look like they are trying.

If we don't pick a QB this year OR set up a play to get a QB next year(ie trade for more picks next year etc.) then that is all you need to know about what Reid really thinks about Alex Smith.
I agree Laz.

If the Chiefs don't take a QB in the first 2 rounds, it's not trying. And this year guys like Peterman will be taken in rd 2.

Enough with the bullshit. If the Chiefs show us that they don't care next week, I won't be wasting time watching the Chiefs on Sundays until they do.
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:03 PM   #23
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I agree Laz.

If the Chiefs don't take a QB in the first 2 rounds, it's not trying. And this year guys like Peterman will be taken in rd 2.

Enough with the bullshit. If the Chiefs show us that they don't care next week, I won't be wasting time watching the Chiefs on Sundays until they do.
What will you do if the Chiefs trade out of the 1st rd this year for another 2nd rd pick and a 1st round pick next year?

or something similar
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I agree Laz.

If the Chiefs don't take a QB in the first 2 rounds, it's not trying. And this year guys like Peterman will be taken in rd 2.

Enough with the bullshit. If the Chiefs show us that they don't care next week, I won't be wasting time watching the Chiefs on Sundays until they do.
Too much smoke around Mahomes at this point, IMO.

If they want him, they have to REALLY want him because I don't know that he'll even see 20 at this point. It may take your 1st, 2nd and next year's 2nd to get up ahead of Arizona if you really want Mahomes. I can't tell you how much I hated hearing the positive reports coming out of their camp because now you're talking about getting all the way up to Cleveland or NO's picks and those guys already have multiple 1sts so they may be all the more difficult to deal with.
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What will you do if the Chiefs trade out of the 1st rd this year for another 2nd rd pick and a 1st round pick next year?

or something similar
They won't get that much.

Dorsey took a bag of magic beans to move out of the 1st last year. Why should we expect he'll suddenly get an extra 1st for his troubles?
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They won't get that much.

Dorsey took a bag of magic beans to move out of the 1st last year. Why should we expect he'll suddenly get an extra 1st for his troubles?
He wouldn't be gaining an extra 1st

He would be swapping a 1st this year for a 1st next year

gaining an extra 2nd rounder this year
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Too much smoke around Mahomes at this point, IMO.

If they want him, they have to REALLY want him because I don't know that he'll even see 20 at this point. It may take your 1st, 2nd and next year's 2nd to get up ahead of Arizona if you really want Mahomes. I can't tell you how much I hated hearing the positive reports coming out of their camp because now you're talking about getting all the way up to Cleveland or NO's picks and those guys already have multiple 1sts so they may be all the more difficult to deal with.
I'm telling you man. Colts at 14. Dorsey has talked to Ballard about something. He has to.
The draft value chart shows that we could trade 27, our 3rd and a 2018 2nd for the value of pick 14.

I think they could set that deal up and see if Arizona takes one. If Mahomes or Watson is there, do it.
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He wouldn't be gaining an extra 1st

He would be swapping a 1st this year for a 1st next year

gaining an extra 2nd rounder this year
Which is still a hell of a lot more than he got last year.

He gave up his 1st for a 2nd and 4th last season. You're saying he'll give up his 1st for a 2nd and next year's 1st.

So essentially you're expecting him to move up, what, 800 points in draft return? If he gets a 1st next season, he'll have to trade into the 3rd, not the 2nd.
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I'm telling you man. Colts at 14. Dorsey has talked to Ballard about something. He has to.
The draft value chart shows that we could trade 27, our 3rd and a 2018 2nd for the value of pick 14.

I think they could set that deal up and see if Arizona takes one. If Mahomes or Watson is there, do it.
Watson sucks.

If Mahomes makes it past Arizona, you may still have to move up that high to stay ahead of Houston but when I say there's too much smoke, I mean I'm pretty damn worried that he doesn't get past Arizona.
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Watson sucks.

If Mahomes makes it past Arizona, you may still have to move up that high to stay ahead of Houston but when I say there's too much smoke, I mean I'm pretty damn worried that he doesn't get past Arizona.
I agree.. Arizona is pretty much in the same boat as KC when it comes to "needs".
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