Correlations Between Punting and Defense and Punting and Winning

[kccrow]

Well, you guys think I'm a nut... So here it is, the data you've all been waiting so patiently for. I've included the Excel Workbook I used. the 20##P tabs are punting stats, the 20##D are defensive stats with correlations to punting, and the 20##WL tabs are W/L records with correlations to punting. I even made a sheet with all the glorious data in one spot.

There is no strong correlation between having a good punter and how good an NFL defense is and there is no strong correlation between having a good punter and win percentage. So, next time you want to defend a contract to a punter for millions per year, I'm going to tell you that you're an idiot. So long as a punter is NFL caliber, he's simply good enough.

Below are the correlation coefficients. I'll leave it to you folks to pour through the rest of it on your own.

Spoiler!

2017
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.194
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Net Ave 0.085
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) 0.028
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to IN 20 -0.053
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.152
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Net Ave 0.073
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) -0.035
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to IN 20 -0.020
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.027
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Net Ave 0.132
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (IN 20) 0.022
Correlation Coefficient of W% to IN 20 -0.006

2016
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.209
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Net Ave 0.180
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) 0.209
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to IN 20 -0.165
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) 0.096
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Net Ave -0.014
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) 0.256
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to IN 20 -0.147
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.314
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Net Ave 0.163
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (IN 20) -0.140
Correlation Coefficient of W% to IN 20 0.041

2015
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.266
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Net Ave 0.299
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) -0.220
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to IN 20 0.202
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.236
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Net Ave 0.259
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) -0.116
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to IN 20 0.054
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (Net Ave) 0.231
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Net Ave -0.323
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (IN 20) 0.280
Correlation Coefficient of W% to IN 20 -0.199

2014
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.161
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Net Ave 0.131
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) 0.207
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to IN 20 -0.156
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.114
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Net Ave 0.060
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) 0.340
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to IN 20 -0.296
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (Net Ave) 0.128
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Net Ave -0.046
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (IN 20) -0.126
Correlation Coefficient of W% to IN 20 0.102

2013
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) 0.102
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Net Ave -0.091
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) -0.120
Correlation Coefficient of Yds/G to IN 20 0.123
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (Net Ave) 0.394
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Net Ave -0.396
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to Punter Rank (IN 20) 0.156
Correlation Coefficient of Pts/G to IN 20 -0.129
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (Net Ave) -0.234
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Net Ave 0.276
Correlation Coefficient of W% to Punter Rank (IN 20) -0.138
Correlation Coefficient of W% to IN 20 0.122

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Yes I do, but an inch clearly wasn’t going to make or break Hill after seeing his natural ability in 2016, and I would never flat out write somebody off because of it.

It just makes it tougher on someone to have to be an outlier because of a physical attribute.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

So, I do have issue here.

Just because they're paying one position peanuts doesn't mean it's still not an issue to overpay another spot that doesn't necessarily bring value.

You could pay your kicker and punter less and use that money for a different spot that makes a bigger difference.

I think it's obvious however, that the front office and coaching staff here value the punter more than Kccrow does, but that doesn't make it wrong

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Kccrow’s philosophy and I get it, but he described us re-signing Colquitt as a “colossal” mistake, which is a ridiculous exaggeration.

[O.city]

Yeah, I wouldn't go that far

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I wouldn't go that far

Then he’s calling you an idiot too lol

[staylor26]

All bullshit aside, I like Kccrow and what he brings to the board, so I don’t want to come off like a dick. Thanks for putting in all the work you do man!

[O.city]

Yeah, I'm trying to remember the last good team to have a shitty punter though?

[BryanBusby]

Any team with a good enough Offense couldn't give much of a shit about the punter

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I'm trying to remember the last good team to have a shitty punter though?

Data is hard to read on the board, which is why I didn't post it, but here's a sample from 2017.

Spoiler!

W L T W% Punter Rank (Net Ave) Net Ave Punter Rank (IN 20) IN 20
MIN 13 3 0.813 28 39.2 10 29
NE 13 3 0.813 18 40.5 24 24
PHI 13 3 0.813 16 40.6 29 21
PIT 13 3 0.813 23 39.8 21 26
CAR 11 5 0.688 5 42.4 23 25
LA 11 5 0.688 2 44.3 8 30
NO 11 5 0.688 6 42.2 21 26
ATL 10 6 0.625 13 40.8 30 19
JAX 10 6 0.625 30 38.9 10 29
KC 10 6 0.625 12 41.1 10 29
BAL 9 7 0.563 21 40.3 1 40
BUF 9 7 0.563 18 40.5 15 28
DAL 9 7 0.563 8 41.4 2 34
DET 9 7 0.563 26 39.5 24 24
LAC 9 7 0.563 9 41.3 19 27
SEA 9 7 0.563 31 38.8 10 29
TEN 9 7 0.563 1 44.6 15 28
ARI 8 8 0.500 24 39.7 10 29
CIN 7 9 0.438 13 40.8 5 32
GB 7 9 0.438 7 41.6 30 19
WAS 7 9 0.438 29 39 3 33
MIA 6 10 0.375 15 40.7 8 30
OAK 6 10 0.375 3 42.7 15 28
SF 6 10 0.375 9 41.3 7 31
CHI 5 11 0.313 24 39.7 19 27
DEN 5 11 0.313 22 40.2 28 23
NYJ 5 11 0.313 18 40.5 3 33
TB 5 11 0.313 26 39.5 24 24
HOU 4 12 0.250 9 41.3 5 32
IND 4 12 0.250 4 42.6 15 28
NYG 3 13 0.188 32 36.7 30 19
CLE 0 16 - 16 40.6 24 24

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m sorry, but saying that Hill’s height was going to be the thing that kept him from being a good WR at that point was reeruned.

There are very few exceptions to 5'10" being the cutoff point for effective NFL receivers playing on the outside. Even in the slot, there aren't that many exceptions. Either way, I don't think I said anything specific about Hill other than the fact he's a douchebag for what he did to his girlfriend.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He said we were paying Colquitt 4 mil per year and continues to act like that’s the case, which is false. His contract is 12th for Punters. Not that bad at all.

He just annoys me sometimes because he thinks he knows more than the pros when he’s just another idiot on a message board like us, hence me bringing up his stupid take on Hill.

I said 4 million before the contract data got posted to OTC, and I still consider it stupid to sign a punter for anything more than minimums.

You don't like my takes, then go quote the idiots at PFF that are nothing more than a bunch of Brittish douchebags sitting behind a computer desk, eating nachos and haven't so much as even played the game.

Better yet, block me. I'll be blocking your ass.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

All bullshit aside, I like Kccrow and what he brings to the board, so I don’t want to come off like a dick. Thanks for putting in all the work you do man!

**** off.

[staylor26]

You’re such a ****ing pussy

I should’ve known you couldn’t handle it. Didn’t you threaten to leave forever because somebody hurt your feelings?

Your talent evaluation skills suck ass anyways. I was just trying to be nice.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You’re such a ****ing pussy

I should’ve known you couldn’t handle it. Didn’t you threaten to leave forever because somebody hurt your feelings?

Your talent evaluation skills suck ass anyways. I was just trying to be nice.

Look an internet tough guy. I can 100% guarantee you wouldn't say this to my face, but then of course you don't have a clue who I am or what I look like and that's probably a good thing in your favor.

You're just another dumbass piece of shit that doesn't bring anything of quality to this board, but sure likes to prance around calling everyone else's shit garbage. Dumbass mother****er.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Look an internet tough guy. I can 100% guarantee you wouldn't say this to my face, but then of course you don't have a clue who I am or what I look like and that's probably a good thing in your favor

You're just another dumbass piece of shit that doesn't bring anything of quality to this board, but sure likes to prance around calling everyone else's shit garbage. Dumbass mother****er.

I’m the internet tough guy? That’s ironic considering what you followed that up with. This is the second time I’ve heard you talk about fighting after you got your feelings hurt on CP, hence why I’m calling you a pussy. Who lets a stranger on a football forum get them so butthurt?

You talking like you’re the baddest mother****er on the planet (no pun intended) is absolutely hilarious though. Real badasses know there’s always somebody badder. That’s how I know you’re full of shit.

[staylor26]

Better yet, block me. I’ll be blocking your ass

Such a badass line from a badass mother****er