Bailey Rumors - Page 2

Chieficus · 02-22-2004, 11:48 AM

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I think wining the AFC West is the first goal to make the playoffs

True...but as we saw this year winning the AFC West, even getting a bye-week and playing at home in the first game doesn't do a thing if your defense can't match up with other teams offenses in the post season...

Wile_E_Coyote · 02-22-2004, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieficus

True...but as we saw this year winning the AFC West, even getting a bye-week and playing at home in the first game doesn't do a thing if your defense can't match up with other teams offenses in the post season...

and just a middle of the road defense would have done wonders

Andoverer · 02-22-2004, 11:56 AM

YEAH BUT A KICK-A** DEFENSE WOULD HAVE BROUGHT HOME THE TROPHY

Chieficus · 02-22-2004, 11:56 AM

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and just a middle of the road defense would have done wonders

True...but I think what has some of us salivating is the thought that with the coaching change combined with this one player from another team's stock has the potential of bumping us up to better than middle-of-the-road...not a guarentee...but sometimes that's all it takes...

Wile_E_Coyote · 02-22-2004, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieficus

True...but I think what has some of us salivating is the thought that with the coaching change combined with this one player from another team's stock has the potential of bumping us up to better than middle-of-the-road...not a guarentee...but sometimes that's all it takes...

Dan Synder-itis

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

Dan Synder-itis

Not quite.......But one oe twp impact type players on D would push the Chiefs over the top IMO.......

Mr. Laz · 02-22-2004, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

Dan Synder-itis

and your all about Mediocre-itis

strive to be good enough to JUST win the afc west ... strive to be good but not great.

you related to King Carl?

Wile_E_Coyote · 02-22-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

and your all about Mediocre-itis

strive to be good enough to JUST win the afc west ... strive to be good but not great.

you related to King Carl?

King Carl has got to love what NE has done this year.
He will be touting the copycat league line

Mr. Laz · 02-22-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

King Carl has got to love what NE has done this year.
He will be touting the copycat league line

yea, but the only problem is he isn't as good as new england

he can't draft a team good enough to win the super bowl ... he's lucky to draft players who are good enough to stay in the league.

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

King Carl has got to love what NE has done this year.
He will be touting the copycat league line

If you remember that's what DV said when they decided to let Donnie Edwards go.......That's been 2 or 3 years ago and the Chiefs still need help on D..........

Call Morten in and tell him he needs to restructure.............

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

King Carl has got to love what NE has done this year.
He will be touting the copycat league line

The same New England that has a PRO BOWL Corner Back and that they pay big bucks for?Hmmmmmm

siberian khatru · 02-22-2004, 12:15 PM

How many difference makers do we have on defense? None, IMO. Sims could/should be, with a good scheme and a little help. Fujita, Barber and Woods are good players, but not difference-makers the way Priest and Gonzo (and maybe Roaf and Shields) are on offense.

Champ is a difference-maker. He takes an offensive chess piece off the board.

I would rather trade two 1st-rounders (04 and 05) than two pix this year (1st and 2nd or 3rd). I'd like to keep this year's 2nd and 3rd for a shot at Kaeding and either a defensive player or a WR.

But I agree, I think the contract money is the bigger obstacle than the trading parameters.

Joe Seahawk · 02-22-2004, 01:51 PM

This Rumor is from a very respected writer and paper in the Seattle area...

Rumor has Alexander traded to Redskins for Bailey
MIKE SANDO; The News Tribune

INDIANAPOLIS - Player-for-player trades are rare in the NFL, but this one makes too much sense to ignore. Both teams would benefit in big ways.

The Seattle Seahawks would receive a Pro Bowl cover cornerback to pair with youngster Marcus Trufant. The Washington Redskins would get the running back Joe Gibbs needs to make his offense take off, plus ample salary-cap relief to sign more players.

Champ Bailey for Shaun Alexander, straight up.

The notion sprang to life Saturday while Gibbs, in his second tenure as Redskins coach, brushed off questions about pursuing Cincinnati running back Corey Dillon.

"As to who we'd be interested in, right now that's something we want to keep to ourselves," Gibbs said during a break at the college scouting combine.

Bailey, 24, is on the trading block because Gibbs' team has salary-cap problems, too few draft choices and a glaring need at running back. He stands to collect $6.8 million as Washington's franchise player, a figure that would vanish from the payroll if Bailey were traded.

Alexander is entering the final year of his contract with Seattle. The odds of him returning in 2005 seem slim, so why not get the NFL's best cover corner in return?

The salary cap often makes such deals prohibitive, but trading Alexander would come at little cost to Seattle because so little of his contract remains on the books.

The team is already some $15 million beneath the revised cap of $80.5 million. That's more than enough wiggle room to sign Bailey to a long-term deal even if left tackle Walter Jones played for the franchise-player value of nearly $7.1 million.

Why trade a 26-year-old runner as talented as Alexander and with no history of injuries?

Let us count the reasons.

Alexander covets a stage bigger than Seattle currently offers. Never mind that Cortez Kennedy earned NFL Defensive Player of the Year honors on the 1992 Seattle team that finished 2-14. Alexander seems resigned to second-class status in Seattle.

What better place to shine than the nation's capital? Unable to crack 1,500 yards in any of his first four seasons, Alexander could conceivably eclipse 1,800 with Gibbs calling the plays.

"He doesn't get the credit he deserves because he's playing in the late game or at time when other games are going on with other featured backs," an NFC personnel director said late last season.

Alexander would understandably prefer an offense centered on his considerable running skills, not the pass-oriented attack coach Mike Holmgren has installed to great effect. Besides, scouts privately note that Alexander's obvious disdain for pass blocking could prove costly for quarterback Matt Hasselbeck.

Put Alexander in a run-oriented offense, hand him the ball 25 times a game and suddenly his blocking wouldn't matter so much. He might also become more amenable to polishing his game.

Meanwhile, the Redskins would be getting the most prolific prime-time runner in the game. Alexander's Sunday night résumé features a 266-yard game and a five-touchdown first half. In 2003, he topped 110 yards rushing four times in the final seven games as Seattle nailed down its second playoff berth in 15 years.

Only Kansas City's Priest Holmes (61) has more touchdowns than Alexander (50) since 2001.

"Everybody says, even myself, that I need 25 carries to be at my best," Alexander once said.

"Without tooting my horn or being arrogant about it, I've been blessed to make plays with less than 25 carries. But I still believe if I have 25 carries, it's going to be crazy."

Might Washington be willing to find out? On the surface, Alexander appears to be precisely the kind of marquee player Redskins owner Daniel Snyder can't resist.

Would the Seahawks explore such a trade? A chance to land Bailey would surely pique their interest, particularly because Alexander is probably gone in 2005 anyway.

The team would have to find another running back, a much simpler task than finding a shutdown corner.

Talks don't materialize - Seahawks senior vice president Mike Reinfeldt did not attend the combine after pondering a trip earlier in the week.

Face-to-face meetings with the agents for Jones and receiver Darrell Jackson seemed destined to go nowhere, anyway.

In fact, given the rocky history of the Jones negotiations, the sides probably came out ahead by not meeting.

Front-office rumblings - As Seattle's contract negotiator since 1999, Reinfeldt has been at the center of the team's journey to salary-cap flexibility. His future in Seattle could become an issue, however, after Rein-feldt's contract expired this month.

Reinfeldt has worked without a contract in the past, but Seattle's front office was considerably less crowded in those days.

The addition of general manager Bob Ferguson, coupled with more active stewardship from president Bob Whitsitt, has some in the league wondering where Reinfeldt fits in over the long haul.

Whitsitt downplayed the issue at the Super Bowl, but time will tell.

Local watch - Michigan defensive end Larry Stevens is skipping combine workouts while he rehabs an injured left shoulder.

Stevens, a product of Wilson High School, planned to participate in an on-campus workout scheduled for March 13.

Tacoma-based scout Rob Rang, owner of www.westcoastdraft.com and formerly an assistant at Stadium High, projects Stevens as a later-round pick.

"A lot of it depends on his speed," Rang said. "I will say we couldn't stop him at Stadium."

Catching up with 'Tez - Kennedy, who retired from the Seahawks after the 2000 season, is helping out the New Orleans Saints at the combine.

The eight-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle is eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2006. Kennedy remains friendly with several former Seattle employees who landed with the Saints a few years ago.

Strongman competition - Isaac Sopoaga, a defensive lineman from Hawaii, opened eyes by cranking out 42 repetitions of 225 pounds in the bench press. That was the most at the combine since UTEP's Leif Larsen did 44 in 2000.

He was only joking - As the Indianapolis Colts struggle to re-sign quarterback Peyton Manning, GM Floyd Reese of the rival Tennessee Titans joked about encouraging Manning's agent, Tom Condon, to keep upping his demands.

Mike Sando: 425-822-9504
mike.sando@mail.tribnet.com

http://www.tribnet.com/sports/footba...-4715678c.html

DenverChief · 02-22-2004, 01:53 PM

party pooper

tk13 · 02-22-2004, 02:07 PM

Alexander would be right up Gibbs' alley...

As for the Chiefs, the defense has to find a way to stop the run first and foremost. If we can't do that, blowing a zillion dollars on Champ Bailey isn't going to accomplish much but allow him to rack up his tackle numbers as Clinton Portis shreds the front 7. I think bringing in Gunther alone should help remedy this quite a bit... that's why I want Bailey... but for all the people on here who were wanting all kinds of change on defense and were complaining about how standing pat showed the front office doesn't care, I'm surprised so many are able to accept just adding one guy who has nothing to do with our biggest weakness on defense. I think the WR's we face next year have nothing on the running backs we'll see. The run defense MUST be solid next year, we face Portis x 2, Tomlinson x 2, Jamal Lewis, Deuce McAllister, Fred Taylor, Michael Vick, Warrick Dunn, Stephen Davis, Edgerrin James, Eddie George, Dominick Davis... all of those guys have the ability to go for 100+ against a porous defense...

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02-22-2004, 12:15 PM	#12
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $-1305050	How many difference makers do we have on defense? None, IMO. Sims could/should be, with a good scheme and a little help. Fujita, Barber and Woods are good players, but not difference-makers the way Priest and Gonzo (and maybe Roaf and Shields) are on offense. Champ is a difference-maker. He takes an offensive chess piece off the board. I would rather trade two 1st-rounders (04 and 05) than two pix this year (1st and 2nd or 3rd). I'd like to keep this year's 2nd and 3rd for a shot at Kaeding and either a defensive player or a WR. But I agree, I think the contract money is the bigger obstacle than the trading parameters.
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02-22-2004, 01:51 PM	#13
Joe Seahawk This place entertains.. Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Seattle Casino cash: $5484435	This Rumor is from a very respected writer and paper in the Seattle area... Rumor has Alexander traded to Redskins for Bailey MIKE SANDO; The News Tribune INDIANAPOLIS - Player-for-player trades are rare in the NFL, but this one makes too much sense to ignore. Both teams would benefit in big ways. The Seattle Seahawks would receive a Pro Bowl cover cornerback to pair with youngster Marcus Trufant. The Washington Redskins would get the running back Joe Gibbs needs to make his offense take off, plus ample salary-cap relief to sign more players. Champ Bailey for Shaun Alexander, straight up. The notion sprang to life Saturday while Gibbs, in his second tenure as Redskins coach, brushed off questions about pursuing Cincinnati running back Corey Dillon. "As to who we'd be interested in, right now that's something we want to keep to ourselves," Gibbs said during a break at the college scouting combine. Bailey, 24, is on the trading block because Gibbs' team has salary-cap problems, too few draft choices and a glaring need at running back. He stands to collect $6.8 million as Washington's franchise player, a figure that would vanish from the payroll if Bailey were traded. Alexander is entering the final year of his contract with Seattle. The odds of him returning in 2005 seem slim, so why not get the NFL's best cover corner in return? The salary cap often makes such deals prohibitive, but trading Alexander would come at little cost to Seattle because so little of his contract remains on the books. The team is already some $15 million beneath the revised cap of $80.5 million. That's more than enough wiggle room to sign Bailey to a long-term deal even if left tackle Walter Jones played for the franchise-player value of nearly $7.1 million. Why trade a 26-year-old runner as talented as Alexander and with no history of injuries? Let us count the reasons. Alexander covets a stage bigger than Seattle currently offers. Never mind that Cortez Kennedy earned NFL Defensive Player of the Year honors on the 1992 Seattle team that finished 2-14. Alexander seems resigned to second-class status in Seattle. What better place to shine than the nation's capital? Unable to crack 1,500 yards in any of his first four seasons, Alexander could conceivably eclipse 1,800 with Gibbs calling the plays. "He doesn't get the credit he deserves because he's playing in the late game or at time when other games are going on with other featured backs," an NFC personnel director said late last season. Alexander would understandably prefer an offense centered on his considerable running skills, not the pass-oriented attack coach Mike Holmgren has installed to great effect. Besides, scouts privately note that Alexander's obvious disdain for pass blocking could prove costly for quarterback Matt Hasselbeck. Put Alexander in a run-oriented offense, hand him the ball 25 times a game and suddenly his blocking wouldn't matter so much. He might also become more amenable to polishing his game. Meanwhile, the Redskins would be getting the most prolific prime-time runner in the game. Alexander's Sunday night résumé features a 266-yard game and a five-touchdown first half. In 2003, he topped 110 yards rushing four times in the final seven games as Seattle nailed down its second playoff berth in 15 years. Only Kansas City's Priest Holmes (61) has more touchdowns than Alexander (50) since 2001. "Everybody says, even myself, that I need 25 carries to be at my best," Alexander once said. "Without tooting my horn or being arrogant about it, I've been blessed to make plays with less than 25 carries. But I still believe if I have 25 carries, it's going to be crazy." Might Washington be willing to find out? On the surface, Alexander appears to be precisely the kind of marquee player Redskins owner Daniel Snyder can't resist. Would the Seahawks explore such a trade? A chance to land Bailey would surely pique their interest, particularly because Alexander is probably gone in 2005 anyway. The team would have to find another running back, a much simpler task than finding a shutdown corner. Talks don't materialize - Seahawks senior vice president Mike Reinfeldt did not attend the combine after pondering a trip earlier in the week. Face-to-face meetings with the agents for Jones and receiver Darrell Jackson seemed destined to go nowhere, anyway. In fact, given the rocky history of the Jones negotiations, the sides probably came out ahead by not meeting. Front-office rumblings - As Seattle's contract negotiator since 1999, Reinfeldt has been at the center of the team's journey to salary-cap flexibility. His future in Seattle could become an issue, however, after Rein-feldt's contract expired this month. Reinfeldt has worked without a contract in the past, but Seattle's front office was considerably less crowded in those days. The addition of general manager Bob Ferguson, coupled with more active stewardship from president Bob Whitsitt, has some in the league wondering where Reinfeldt fits in over the long haul. Whitsitt downplayed the issue at the Super Bowl, but time will tell. Local watch - Michigan defensive end Larry Stevens is skipping combine workouts while he rehabs an injured left shoulder. Stevens, a product of Wilson High School, planned to participate in an on-campus workout scheduled for March 13. Tacoma-based scout Rob Rang, owner of www.westcoastdraft.com and formerly an assistant at Stadium High, projects Stevens as a later-round pick. "A lot of it depends on his speed," Rang said. "I will say we couldn't stop him at Stadium." Catching up with 'Tez - Kennedy, who retired from the Seahawks after the 2000 season, is helping out the New Orleans Saints at the combine. The eight-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle is eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2006. Kennedy remains friendly with several former Seattle employees who landed with the Saints a few years ago. Strongman competition - Isaac Sopoaga, a defensive lineman from Hawaii, opened eyes by cranking out 42 repetitions of 225 pounds in the bench press. That was the most at the combine since UTEP's Leif Larsen did 44 in 2000. He was only joking - As the Indianapolis Colts struggle to re-sign quarterback Peyton Manning, GM Floyd Reese of the rival Tennessee Titans joked about encouraging Manning's agent, Tom Condon, to keep upping his demands. Mike Sando: 425-822-9504 mike.sando@mail.tribnet.com http://www.tribnet.com/sports/footba...-4715678c.html
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02-22-2004, 02:07 PM	#15
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1837500	Alexander would be right up Gibbs' alley... As for the Chiefs, the defense has to find a way to stop the run first and foremost. If we can't do that, blowing a zillion dollars on Champ Bailey isn't going to accomplish much but allow him to rack up his tackle numbers as Clinton Portis shreds the front 7. I think bringing in Gunther alone should help remedy this quite a bit... that's why I want Bailey... but for all the people on here who were wanting all kinds of change on defense and were complaining about how standing pat showed the front office doesn't care, I'm surprised so many are able to accept just adding one guy who has nothing to do with our biggest weakness on defense. I think the WR's we face next year have nothing on the running backs we'll see. The run defense MUST be solid next year, we face Portis x 2, Tomlinson x 2, Jamal Lewis, Deuce McAllister, Fred Taylor, Michael Vick, Warrick Dunn, Stephen Davis, Edgerrin James, Eddie George, Dominick Davis... all of those guys have the ability to go for 100+ against a porous defense...
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