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Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone)
A few have suggested it, might as well test the waters. The idea is to give people who haven't read the books a safe place to talk about the show.
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And if they really killed off Jon Snow, fan and book backlash will grow especially if the next book GRR resurrects him.
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The fire God lady resurrects Jon in the fire and we find out his mother was a Targaryen.
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In the books: A) The only person that has ever seen a White Walker is Sam. Even the wildlings admit to never having seen one. It's similar to your crazy cousin claiming to have killed Bigfoot. B) Jon not only admits their sworn enemy to protect against Bigfoot, he then decides to abandon the wall to march the Night's Watch against Winterfell. A mutiny was far from an illogical action.
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In the books, Jon's death is completely his own fault. He continually puts himself in worse and worse positions for the benefit of everyone else. All of his actions are set up to benefit everyone in the long run, at the expense of his own current position. He sends away Sam, Gilly, and Aemon to Oldtown. He sends Tormund and his other wildling supporters away to Hardhome. He decides to risk marching against a foe who threatens to destroy the Watch rather than "take no part". In the end, it all got him killed.
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so basically from what I've read in these threads..... they ****ed this all up. the books made it much more palatable in that they gave the reader good reason/reasons why this came to pass. but the TV show ****ed it up. so....I really want to know WHAT they ****ed up. would you please use a spoiler if need be and tell us why jons death/assasination makes so much more sense in the book than it does in the TV version? EDIT - welp....looks like you already covered this in the post just before this one! hahaha. anything else?
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GRRM made Ned, Robb, and Jon all great leaders in some aspects, but their downfalls were all self-made through their individual weaknesses: -Ned was blinded by his honor, refused to play the game. -Robb was a great military tactician, but was hopeless in political scheming. -Jon was completely focused on the long term enemy to the detriment of his immediate personal situation. In the books, Jon's killers were pretty well justified. As far as they know, they were preventing the desertion of the wall, which was their protection from the wildlings. In the show, they were just kind of stupid jerks who were mad at Jon. (Really, why did they let the wildlings through the wall if they were going to kill Jon for it the next day?)
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I hate that he was killed, because I thought they'd really set up his story to be interesting over the next couple of seasons. That setup seems to all have been for naught. |
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So... this brings up an interesting question about spoilers. There are a lot of theories out there that depend on evidence in the books, but they have not been explicitly spelled out in either the books or the show. However, a show watcher would not have any idea about such a theory, because the hints weren't present in the show at all.
Given that it affects future things in the story (both show and books), should those theories be discussed here?
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