Should Penn State Get the Death Penalty?

[Trivers]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...lege_football/


Looks like officials are going from Penn State to state pen. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

What say ye? If so, for how long?

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by frazod

Do you have an exact number there, Hoss, or do you just want to shut down the whole school over "they"?

They being those most responsible for the stewardship and direction of PSU and, more importantly, those who were in an ideal position to take the most immediate and effective steps to bring Sandusky to the attention of law enforcement. Instead, as a matter of course and policy, they chose to ignore the welfare and well being of children being raped under their banner and in their facilities. There can be no doubt that this sort of complicit behavior that puts the institution above the most basic measure of human decency will result in the most severe of punishments. As I said, no federal dollar should go to the institution until all claims and lawsuits related to this have been finalized. PSU needs to be eviscerated. This isn't my fault, if you want to lay blame lay it at the feet of those responsible. Hate JoPa, hate the admin and leaders, hate Sandusky but make no mistake, punishing PSU is not the crime here. Let that big, bad endowment be put to use.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The school enrolls 100,000 students and 44,000 faculty members. Like any other public university, I'm sure they invest tens of millions of dollars in research and consultation to businesses and farms in Pennsylvania. You are talking about massive yearly losses that affect all of those people, not to mention the taxpayers that have to foot the bill. Not to mention indirect economic impact.

It's not hyperbole. It's why anybody who's ever looked at the economics of a death penalty have said it's a stupid idea.

ALL shit the President of the University should have considered BEFORE LETTING A CHILD RAPIST POUND ASS ON CAMPUS! If the state of PA doesn't like it, tough titty. Hate PSU for ruining the economy.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

I have already answered this a dozen times ... you just choose to ignore it because you really don't care.

"Death Penalty for the PSU football team for 2 or 3 years"

And I have already told you a million times. Getting rid of Penn State football will eliminate $50-70M in PROFIT per year. So you're talking about a $150-210M penalty on football operations alone. That in addition to lost alumni donations which will probably total $50M+ per year. You are talking about a penalty that will create around $500M in expenses ON TOP of expenses that will already be spent on settlements and restructuring. This is going to amount to billions of dollars in losses. BILLIONS. Add in that the estimate is that every dollar contributed to Penn State creates $25B in economic impact. You are talking about a $25B plus economic loss to the state of Pennsylvania.

So let's be clear about something. The death penalty is a measure that is going to have billions of dollars in impact. This is backed by real numbers.

it's not a hard concept to understand, the power culture of the PSU football program led to the people in power ignoring the law, ignoring what was right,ignoring the molestation of children.

The culture of PSU football needs to be changed

It's also not a hard concept to grasp that there are millions of people who rely on Penn State for the right reasons. The culture of PSU needs to change, and that changes by boosting it back up as an academic institution and forcing ultra-strict compliance measures. It doesn't happen by enacting measures that strip the University of billions of dollars they can be used to start rebuilding and getting back to what they should be.

Might does not make right ... Joe Paterno isn't a god. Football coaches/players can't just run around doing what they want without consequence.

Joe Pa got away with it because he died. That is the only reason. Every other person accountable is going to get the hammer thrown down on them. Where is this ridiculous idea coming from that those responsible are getting away scot free? No additional punishment the NCAA enacts is going to make these guys any more sorry for what they did. Those guys are already out of power. You keep talking about punishments that don't in any way affect the scumbags who let this happen.

Every school/coach/administrator/player in the NCAA needs to see that they aren't above the law or what is right.

The NCAA needs to set an example

The NCAA's job is to govern as a regulating body. As a regulating body, their job is to punish based on lack of compliance. It is the law's job to prove Penn State isn't above the law and it looks like they are doing a very good job of that.

To be honest, i don't give a shit if PSU falls on hard times because of the financial loss of football for a couple of years. Maybe the entire football machine will be that much the better for it going forward.

Money above children, money above what's right ... you, chiefzilla, should be ashamed of yourself for being such a pathetic and heartless human being.

i'm done

We've discussed this. I am all for max money being sent to the children abused. I am for massive penalties to the scumbags who covered it up. I am NOT for excessive penalties that do more harm to innocent people when these penalties only prove a point that has already been made. You are suggesting measures that will lead to BILLIONS in losses. And those losses are going to screw over hard-working high school students relying on in-state tuition, compromising the quality of education to hard working college students who did nothing wrong, pulling the athletic department from non-football athletes who had nothing to do with this, and forcing taxpayers who definitely had nothing to do with this to pay for the bill. You keep talking about how "they" should be punished, and yet you are talking about imposing measures that affect innocent people and do virtually nothing to prove any further point to the people responsible for this.

The difference is, I'm quantifying the impact. You seem more intent on proving a point than in doing the things that are going to repair a University that apart from this smear, is an otherwise extremely valuable and important institution.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

ALL shit the President of the University should have considered BEFORE LETTING A CHILD RAPIST POUND ASS ON CAMPUS! If the state of PA doesn't like it, tough titty. Hate PSU for ruining the economy.

And the President of the University should hopefully get the hammer thrown at him.

As for the child rapist... that is being handled by extreme punishments to those involved and hundreds of millions in losses to the university that enabled it. There are disgusting murders, rapes, assaults, etc... that happen every day. But our legal system is built around just punishment, not creating additional punishments because we are emotionally disgusted by the act.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And the President of the University should hopefully get the hammer thrown at him.

As for the child rapist... that is being handled by extreme punishments to those involved and hundreds of millions in losses to the university that enabled it. There are disgusting murders, rapes, assaults, etc... that happen every day. But our legal system is built around just punishment, not creating additional punishments because we are emotionally disgusted by the act.

The costs of the punishment should be borne solely by the institution. That's the point of stopping federal money to PSU not as some measure of additional punishment.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

The costs of the punishment should be borne solely by the institution. That's the point of stopping federal money to PSU not as some measure of additional punishment.

And they are going to be paying for hundreds of million dollars in settlements to the victims. They will probably also be forced to go through required compliance restructuring which will add additional cost. They as an institution are going to pay dearly for this dollar-wise.

And JFC, now we're talking about cutting federal money too? Good lord. This place has just gone bananas.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And they are going to be paying for hundreds of million dollars in settlements to the victims. They will probably also be forced to go through required compliance restructuring which will add additional cost. They as an institution are going to pay dearly for this dollar-wise.

And JFC, now we're talking about cutting federal money too? Good lord. This place has just gone bananas.

And not a nickel should be from public funds. If they can raise $1b from their alum for other shit they can sure as hell put together the Pedophile State defense fund.