Is Hunt Telling The Truth?

[BossChief]

Don't want to start a panic, but I know we are all thinking the same thing even if we want to ignore it. Clark SAYS he is gonna hire a vet coach that's experienced in what we need and that Pioli won't play a part in the search, but then we keep hearing about guys Pioli has connections with getting interviews and how Clark hasn't even contacted Andy Reid.

I may be jumping the gun here, but this is starting to remind me of last years "we are gonna bring in qb competition" talks that we all know how that ended.

Is this a "fool me once..." type scenario or are all the tree coaches interviewing just bs leaked by Pioli to create the impression he still has his nuts?

Should we be pissed?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Some success.

Great.

And what was the downfall again? Not having a successor for an already non-elite QB?

Like I said, Rex Grossman appeared in a SB.

Marc Bulger put up numbers.

That doesn't make them great QB's.

Someone trying to sell me on a 65 year old Mike Holmgren - who was an absolute failure in Cleveland - using Matt Hasselbeck as some sort of evidence?

Awesome.

**** it, he coached Brett Favre and Steve Young.

So did Steve Mariucci, and I don't see anyone sucking his dick.

Jfc. You've gone off the rails. Holmgren coached young at BYU and for most of his career. Holmgren made young. Holmgren rejected qb trades because he stuck by Brett favre. Look, you're a smart guy but you trying to discredit holmgrens qb accomplishments is borderline idiotic. Let me repeat. He coached two hall of fame qbs who were both considered nobodies in the draft.

And your criticism of his run in Seattle is comical. He left the game around the same time as cowher. They met in the same super bowl and Seattle played terrific in that super bowl. Seattle was a very successful playoff team almost every year holmgren was coach. His record is more impressive than cowhers. He took two teams he built from scratch to a super bowl. He coordinated the super power 49ers. He's coached three hall of fame qbs. He's developed two of them.

He isn't a good gm. So what. He wasnt on the field coaching players, was he.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...g_quarterbacks

2002-2008.

Cowher lucked out at the Ferrari dealership, Gruden willingly kept going back to the Buy Here - Pay Here lot.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Rexx

Koetter, Ferentz, and Armstrong all reek of Pioli being involved

This.

As the Great One has said many times, "Don't listen to what they say, but watch what they do."

Good perceptive read Rexx !!

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Honestly, I was the first to criticize Gruden's apparent man love for Matt Cassel earlier this season. It didn't make any sense. Then I realized he never criticizes anyone. Like ever. So I changed my tune on him.

If you've ever seen the guy coach, and how he leads his players, it's very hard not to like Gruden.

His passion isn't my real concern. Especially if Clark is going to give him player control, that is my concern. I also don't see how his QB history should make me comfortable.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

99% of QB's are smart, it's a prerequisite for the position.

A much lower percentage are smart AND talented.

Ryan Fitzpatrick graduated from Harvard.

I sure as **** don't want him as my QB.

What does Fitzpatricks Alma mater have to do with how well he understands the game?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Jfc. You've gone off the rails. Holmgren coached young at BYU and for most of his career. Holmgren made young. Holmgren rejected qb trades because he stuck by Brett favre. Look, you're a smart guy but you trying to discredit holmgrens qb accomplishments is borderline idiotic. Let me repeat. He coached two hall of fame qbs who were both considered nobodies in the draft.

And your criticism of his run in Seattle is comical. He left the game around the same time as cowher. They met in the same super bowl and Seattle played terrific in that super bowl. Seattle was a very successful playoff team almost every year holmgren was coach. His record is more impressive than cowhers. He took two teams he built from scratch to a super bowl. He coordinated the super power 49ers. He's coached three hall of fame qbs. He's developed two of them.

He isn't a good gm. So what. He wasnt on the field coaching players, was he.

I'm going off the rails. I'm not the one defending a relic.

He isn't a good GM. Glad you admitted that.

GUESS WHAT GENIUS?

That's exactly the role he'll be expected to take in KC.

He's also SIXTY ****ING FIVE years old, and his last trip in the NFL was a goddamn tire fire.

You keep ignoring Cleveland, like it didn't happen.

We hire Holmgren, what are we more likely to get?

1990's Green Bay Holmgren?

Or three years ago Cleveland?

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

Marty's advice earlier this season was for Clark to be patient and stick with Romeo and Fat Scott.

Where is this "good advice" you speak of?

You were not privy to their meeting so kick rocks. Marty played in the league, was a good coach for three different teams and would give Clark good advice.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

Marty's advice earlier this season was for Clark to be patient and stick with Romeo and Fat Scott.

Where is this "good advice" you speak of?

It got us the one overall.

Pretty good advice
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[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by aturnis

What does Fitzpatricks Alma mater have to do with how well he understands the game?

Someone else said smart.

But again, your being obtuse.

Plenty of guys understand the game, but don't have the talent.

Christ, Matt Cassel is the total package, as long as you're willing to ignore that pesky lack of talent.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Look at the QB's he had in TB. Add to that what I have heard him say and felt he really meant. I don't see any reason to think the guy is going to come out and groom a young QB.



Maybe.

I am responding to gruden saying directly he believe the NFL is a pass heavy league where spread offenses are a necessity. He will be a much more pass heavy coach when he comes back and he will probably integrate a lot of principles of the Oregon offense. I agree that I hate his history with qbs, but I like that he has clearly stated that he gets the new realities and frankly, given what he's said, Geno smith is ideal for what he wants to do. Not Alex smith. I don't care what he says as a media guy where you have to choose words wisely.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

See, this is whole line of reasoning dovetails with the 'draft a QB, any QB, and if he sucks draft another' line of thinking that simply drives me crazy.

I can understand pining for great QB play in light of the HORRIBLE QB play we've endured but just as 'not as bad =! good' is apt, so too is 'the only alternative to horrible is spectacular' inapt.

We don't need a QB who throws 50x a game for 400+ yards every time out. We need one who doesn't make mistakes and makes clutch plays when needed. As much as the league has favored the passing game, and franchise QBs dominate the SB champ ranks, they're still not pass, pass, pass and ignore the rest of the team rosters. All the franchise QBs have gone through their game manager eras. Those like Eli, Ben, even going back to Elway have traits of stinking for 3/4 then turning it on in the crunch. Others like Aikman game managed throughout. All won with their defenses playing at their peak.

This is a knock on singlemindedness more than anything else.

Green Bay hasn't had a 100-yard rusher in 43 games. New England has averaged almost 40 passes per game over the last few years. So has New Orleans.

This isn't 1995 and building a team like they built around Aikman isn't possible.

The game absolutely IS pass, pass, pass. And on the flip side, it's sack, sack, sack.

You need a QB and pass rushers. Hit on both at the same time and you're a Super Bowl champion.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Hey, anyone have Bill Walsh's number? That guy was super-successful. Took Joe Montana as a 3rd rounder and molded him into the GOAT.

Wait, what do you mean he's dead?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm going off the rails. I'm not the one defending a relic.

He isn't a good GM. Glad you admitted that.

GUESS WHAT GENIUS?

That's exactly the role he'll be expected to take in KC.

He's also SIXTY ****ING FIVE years old, and his last trip in the NFL was a goddamn tire fire.

You keep ignoring Cleveland, like it didn't happen.

We hire Holmgren, what are we more likely to get?

1990's Green Bay Holmgren?

Or three years ago Cleveland?

didn't zilla bash the Crennel hire over age also.

Other things too I know but I think age was a factor
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[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I am responding to gruden saying directly he believe the NFL is a pass heavy league where spread offenses are a necessity. He will be a much more pass heavy coach when he comes back and he will probably integrate a lot of principles of the Oregon offense. I agree that I hate his history with qbs, but I like that he has clearly stated that he gets the new realities and frankly, given what he's said, Geno smith is ideal for what he wants to do. Not Alex smith. I don't care what he says as a media guy where you have to choose words wisely.

Sounds like you like what he says as a media guy if you choose wisely.

Let's trust his record as a HC, not his rhetoric.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Green Bay hasn't had a 100-yard rusher in 43 games.

Game, set, match.