Talking Draft Prospects - Page 22

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

Spoiler!

Direckshun · 01-01-2015, 10:38 PM

I like Kendricks, but not as much as Perryman or, as it must now be said, Paul Dawson.

Nightfyre · 01-02-2015, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Dope

SEC and ACC are light years ahead of the PAC12 imo. I have no idea why you would think it's a break out year for the PAC 12.

Mr. "Always right" appears to have stumbled with respect to this claim.

OldSchool · 01-02-2015, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Ahem...

Rose Bowl Records set by Oregon vs. Florida State tonight:

Most Points in a Half
Most Points in a Game
Most Total Yards

Mariota choked alright.

Direckshun · 01-03-2015, 02:01 AM

OT Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame -- It's been two years, and we still don't have a great idea of what John Dorsey likes in his offensive tackles, but Eric Fisher's as clear a prototype as we have. In that vein, Stanley fits that prototype to a T, as an elite athlete with ridonkulously long arms and one of THE best kickslides I've seen in years. Stanley's seen a boom in his value recently due to strong performances against NFL-caliber passrushers, and for good reason. He's an ideal 6'6", 315 lbs, and moves like a tight end in space. His athleticism is about as good as Eric Fisher's, which is among the best I've ever seen in a tackle. His perfect kickslide negates any speed rush to the outside, and he mirrors extremely well. At the second level, Stanley's athleticism is elite -- he would be fantastic in schemes that regularly pull their tackles into space. Stanley's weakness is that he greatly struggles with power. Despite being 315 lbs, he looks slight and doesn't get much push in the run game -- though he does wall off his defender reliably well. Talented edge rushers consistently earned success against him by throwing their body into him, often pushing him into the lap of his QB. He'll need to pack on considerable weight and muscle, and lower his base more in pass protection, but if he can do that, he's got Pro Bowl upside.

Direckshun · 01-03-2015, 06:17 AM

DE/OLB Nate Orchard, Utah -- How much do you trust your coaching staff? If you have eminent faith that they can turn any project into success, or if they have a track record of doing so, Orchard could be a worthwhile investment. He has a lot of tools to work with, but leaves a lot of them on the table due to the fact that he is still quite raw at his position (he was recruited to Utah as a WR). He has a great frame for a rushbacker at 6'4", 250 lbs, and could bulk up a bit if a team wanted him as a 4-3 DE. He could get much, much stronger, and, as a former receiver, is oozing with athleticism that will likely get him noticed at the Combine. His technique is extremely inconsistent, however, he doesn't have that many passrushing moves, and he doesn't play as strong, big, or fast as he is -- so how the hell has he been so productive for the Utes? Because Orchard is an incredibly enthusiastic worker w/ a neverending motor on the football field. Orchard plays with great hand strength, making his sheer size just too much for most tackles to handle, often times getting his sacks on a 2nd or 3rd effort. He's a very hard worker in the run game as well, and when he keeps his gap and technique, he can dictate to tackles on run downs and make it difficult to run on him -- in a way reminding me of the Justin Houston we saw at Georgia. That attitude and hard work on the field will make him extremely attractive early on the second day of the draft, as a (likely 3-4) team dreams about combining that athleticism and power with better discipline and technique.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 01-03-2015, 09:44 AM

Looking back, I thought Jerry Jones was a dipshit taking Martin at 16 but it proved to be a solid pick and did wonders for the Cowboys. I'm resigned to us needing to pick OL in the 1st and get a WR in the 2nd. This year is supposed to be solid at WR in rds 2-5 .

But if Dorsey stays with BPA regardless of position ????

Direckshun · 01-03-2015, 09:49 AM

Dorsey, like all GMs, drafts BPA at a position of need.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 01-03-2015, 10:04 AM

AND he will be looking at who we will be replacing at the end of 2015.

2013 Drafts Fisher to replace Albert
2014 Drafts Ford to Replace Hali
2015 who will potentially be replaced ?

Direckshun · 01-03-2015, 10:58 AM

Eric Berry (sigh)
Sean Smith
Chase Daniel (likely cut this offseason)
Mike DeVito (likely cut this offseason)
Derrick Johnson
Jeff Allen
Donald Stephenson (possibly cut this year?)
Hussain Abdullah

Direckshun · 01-03-2015, 11:01 AM

Of those losses, really only Sean Smith is the one you need to brace for, and I think he gets extended...

kc79 · 01-03-2015, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

AND he will be looking at who we will be replacing at the end of 2015.

2013 Drafts Fisher to replace Albert
2014 Drafts Ford to Replace Hali
2015 who will potentially be replaced ?

MLB Kendricks RD1 WR Agholor Hardy or Lockett RD2

Hog's Gone Fishin · 01-03-2015, 04:41 PM

[QUOTE=Direckshun;11239140]Of those losses, really only Sean Smith is the one you need to brace for, and I think he gets extended...[/QUO

That's a sweet list. Yes Smith will get extended but we need to draft a franchise corner anyway.

No major losses to worry about. I love Berry but realize he's replaceable after the way our pass D performed. We did miss him in run support.

philfree · 01-03-2015, 07:23 PM

This is as good as any place to post it so my agenda is to build the #1 defense in the league. After that we shore up the line and add a true consistent threat at WR. Championship D!

John Dope · 01-03-2015, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I like Kendricks, but not as much as Perryman or, as it must now be said, Paul Dawson.

Dawson is sick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Mr. "Always right" appears to have stumbled with respect to this claim.

Always right? Not even close man. I've never been that way. I Still think the SEC and ACC are better conferences though. Good for Oregon and Ohio State though. They deserve it.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Mariota choked alright.

He didn't choke but, I wasn't impressed. Everytime he passes it's choreographed just like Geno. He doesn't really make reads guys. Never more than two on any play anway. I do think he'll drop. I really hate those spread offenses.

John Dope · 01-03-2015, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

AND he will be looking at who we will be replacing at the end of 2015.

2013 Drafts Fisher to replace Albert
2014 Drafts Ford to Replace Hali
2015 who will potentially be replaced ?

You need to look at who is a UFA in 2016 to follow the pattern. All the major players are on defense. DJ, Poe, Berry, and Hali are all 2016 UFAs. I think we'll go defense in the first round this year if he follows the same pattern.

09-24-2014, 02:22 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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01-01-2015, 10:38 PM	#316
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	I like Kendricks, but not as much as Perryman or, as it must now be said, Paul Dawson.
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01-03-2015, 02:01 AM	#319
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	OT Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame -- It's been two years, and we still don't have a great idea of what John Dorsey likes in his offensive tackles, but Eric Fisher's as clear a prototype as we have. In that vein, Stanley fits that prototype to a T, as an elite athlete with ridonkulously long arms and one of THE best kickslides I've seen in years. Stanley's seen a boom in his value recently due to strong performances against NFL-caliber passrushers, and for good reason. He's an ideal 6'6", 315 lbs, and moves like a tight end in space. His athleticism is about as good as Eric Fisher's, which is among the best I've ever seen in a tackle. His perfect kickslide negates any speed rush to the outside, and he mirrors extremely well. At the second level, Stanley's athleticism is elite -- he would be fantastic in schemes that regularly pull their tackles into space. Stanley's weakness is that he greatly struggles with power. Despite being 315 lbs, he looks slight and doesn't get much push in the run game -- though he does wall off his defender reliably well. Talented edge rushers consistently earned success against him by throwing their body into him, often pushing him into the lap of his QB. He'll need to pack on considerable weight and muscle, and lower his base more in pass protection, but if he can do that, he's got Pro Bowl upside.
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01-03-2015, 06:17 AM	#320
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	DE/OLB Nate Orchard, Utah -- How much do you trust your coaching staff? If you have eminent faith that they can turn any project into success, or if they have a track record of doing so, Orchard could be a worthwhile investment. He has a lot of tools to work with, but leaves a lot of them on the table due to the fact that he is still quite raw at his position (he was recruited to Utah as a WR). He has a great frame for a rushbacker at 6'4", 250 lbs, and could bulk up a bit if a team wanted him as a 4-3 DE. He could get much, much stronger, and, as a former receiver, is oozing with athleticism that will likely get him noticed at the Combine. His technique is extremely inconsistent, however, he doesn't have that many passrushing moves, and he doesn't play as strong, big, or fast as he is -- so how the hell has he been so productive for the Utes? Because Orchard is an incredibly enthusiastic worker w/ a neverending motor on the football field. Orchard plays with great hand strength, making his sheer size just too much for most tackles to handle, often times getting his sacks on a 2nd or 3rd effort. He's a very hard worker in the run game as well, and when he keeps his gap and technique, he can dictate to tackles on run downs and make it difficult to run on him -- in a way reminding me of the Justin Houston we saw at Georgia. That attitude and hard work on the field will make him extremely attractive early on the second day of the draft, as a (likely 3-4) team dreams about combining that athleticism and power with better discipline and technique. Last edited by Direckshun; 01-03-2015 at 06:23 AM..
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01-03-2015, 09:44 AM	#321
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1390477	Looking back, I thought Jerry Jones was a dipshit taking Martin at 16 but it proved to be a solid pick and did wonders for the Cowboys. I'm resigned to us needing to pick OL in the 1st and get a WR in the 2nd. This year is supposed to be solid at WR in rds 2-5 . But if Dorsey stays with BPA regardless of position ????
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01-03-2015, 09:49 AM	#322
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Dorsey, like all GMs, drafts BPA at a position of need.
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01-03-2015, 10:04 AM	#323
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1390477	AND he will be looking at who we will be replacing at the end of 2015. 2013 Drafts Fisher to replace Albert 2014 Drafts Ford to Replace Hali 2015 who will potentially be replaced ?
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01-03-2015, 10:58 AM	#324
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Eric Berry (sigh) Sean Smith Chase Daniel (likely cut this offseason) Mike DeVito (likely cut this offseason) Derrick Johnson Jeff Allen Donald Stephenson (possibly cut this year?) Hussain Abdullah
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01-03-2015, 11:01 AM	#325
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Of those losses, really only Sean Smith is the one you need to brace for, and I think he gets extended...
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01-03-2015, 04:41 PM	#327
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1390477	[QUOTE=Direckshun;11239140]Of those losses, really only Sean Smith is the one you need to brace for, and I think he gets extended...[/QUO That's a sweet list. Yes Smith will get extended but we need to draft a franchise corner anyway. No major losses to worry about. I love Berry but realize he's replaceable after the way our pass D performed. We did miss him in run support.
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01-03-2015, 07:23 PM	#328
philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1316198	This is as good as any place to post it so my agenda is to build the #1 defense in the league. After that we shore up the line and add a true consistent threat at WR. Championship D! __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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